Posts by Jeremy Eade
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"or that it's okay to try and scuttle it by moving it to next year."
because thats a bad time for childbeating discussion, it's not child beating discussion weather.
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"And no-one said the referendum should be "buried." Just put it at a suitable time."
absolutely if something is so topical it requires a referendum that debate deserves to be isolated for thorough re-discussion not yanked into the forefront of a hugely complex election discussion.
How many causes could you feasibly get 300,000 signatures for?Alright we'll spend taxpayers money on rediscussing and voting on this but it shouldn't dominate our election. -
"Actually "time out" is not supposed to be a punishment as much as a chance to cool down."
sure, good point.
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"In the end, people will decides for themselves what is relevant or irrelevant"
So how long did N.Z take to make sensible sexual law based on natural law and was this wait justified for those who died sexual criminals before 1984?
The debate needs to be fueled with education and biological facts.Let's get our politics on buddy.
People will decides for themselves ?People should be deciding with facts , not violent gut feeling.
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" Seriously, what is a time out other than using the psychological trigger of physical isolation and emotional withdrawal to sanction misconduct and re-enforce desirable behaviour? "
You're such a liberal Craig. Remember we are setting up logic boundaries for "hardwiring fantastic but sometimes crazy" kids so they can hang out with the other apes enjoyably later in life..
We need some sort of punishment effect and it's not a nice feeling for the kid, but the kid was about to unload mayhem everywhere on everyone so we remove them from that state of mind .
.....and mental abuse (or it's opposite "niceness") can de defined and it's not acceptable.
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The wider issue surely is do referendums at election time detract from the even debate of other just as needy issues.IMHO.
Yes, we seem to sadly have to revisit this debate nationally.
No, it doesn't need to be highlighted above the complexity and volume of information we are waiting to recieve from new leaders as an election looms.
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"I just don't see how niceness is something you can legislate for.'
That still doesn't mean you can't legislate against violence. Tell me IYHO has the 1980's NZ gay legislation helped make this country a friendlier place for our gay brother and sisters.
We can ony try.
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"Yes, we know that you don't beat your children, and that children who are lightly smacked and no more turn out fine."
I think we're still defining what "fine" is.
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I think graeme has done a great job of explaining the rules. Do the rules need changing? Almost certainly.
The real distaste fo this is we are talking about bringing back violence to children. Go smack the first person you see on the street and see what happens.
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"Or just to keep it really simple, exercise your imagination and wank off." - craig
or in Reverend Bill Hicks words.
"I have wiped entire civilizations off of my chest, with a grey gym sock. That is special. Entire nations have flaked and crusted in the hair around my navel. That is special. And I want you to think about that, you two-egg-carrying beings out there with that holier-than-thou, we-have-the-gift-of-life attitude. I have tossed universes, in my underpants, while napping. That is special."