Hard News: The crybaby philosopher
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However that is a terrible statement. What the hell does a “New Zealander” look and sound like to you because to me it sounds and looks like anybody from New Zealand. Dismissing someone over their looks and sounds is a bigger mugs game than trying to defend the indefensible.
George Bernard Shaw said "... It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him..."
Whyte has an accent - increasingly common to many of the elite in this country - that to me is a signifer not of a New Zealander, but as a member of an exploitative settler class that happens to set down here for a while because it is the best place to make money.
You can't create an unequal society without also creating competing visions of what constitutes being a New Zealander.
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Whyte carefully exempts the work of the Waitangi Tribunal from his criticism
Very carefully indeed:
Whyte:
The reparations made to iwi by the Waitangi Tribunal are NOT an example of this. The Treaty of Waitangi gave Maori property rights over the land they occupied. Many violations of these rights followed. The remedies provided by the Waitangi Tribunal are not a case of race-based favouritism. They are recognition of property rights and, therefore, something that we in ACT wholeheartedly support.
The Waitangi Tribunal almost never provides reparations. Most of its reports recommend that iwi and the Government negotiate a settlement, and those settlements are agreed separately from the Tribunal's processes. Which leaves politicians free to fulminate against the negotiated settlements while paying lip service to respecting the Treaty and property rights. I don't believe Act has ever voted for any Treaty settlement, and has a long history of opposing the process: http://web.archive.org/web/20060518141006/http://www.act.org.nz/policy_treaty_details.aspx
Because of that history, I see a silver lining to this cloud. Act's not publicly using the rank language they've used in the past (and some of their folk still use, in some weird corners of the internet), and it's not likely to get them the same sort of success that Brash had with Orewa ten years ago. It would be nice if this wasn't a regular feature of our political discourse, but I'm glad it's now having its voice among tiny parties not likely to contribute heavily to the makeup of government, rather than being a major opposition policy platform running up to a close election.
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Pre-election, deluded politicians get to rant at us and redefine stupidity in remarkable ways. It's no wonder Jesus wept. It's no surprise that votes are waning when ignorance gets in the way of reality. Frightening that someone will vote for a complete dork.
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TracyMac, in reply to
Really? So because I lived in England for several years, and I've lived in Australia for several more, and no longer have a true-blue kiwi accent (it even sounds "posher" than most in NZ), I no longer meet some "vision" of a "non-settler class" NZer (however that might be distinguishable from any other Pakeha)?
You can say he sounds like a twunt because of WHAT he says, but to bag out an accent like that no different to characterizing Westies or South Aucklanders as "stupid" due to how they speak.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
a member of an exploitative settler class
Same accent as Tony Benn. Or Engels. It's what you say, not how you say it.
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I've studied philosophy a bit too. Quite a lot, in fact. When it comes to political philosophy in particular, I'd lay good odds that I've studied rather more that Dr Whyte has. (If that link doesn't work, FTR it takes you to my doctoral thesis in ... political philosophy.)
What strikes me about his arguments in political philosophy is that they are largely context free ie. he sees only very minimal premises, and as a result of that a rather threadbare conclusion. He doesn't see the rich context around the premises, and as a result, his arguments just don't work. That's what makes political philosophy interesting and difficult: you simply must be aware of context and history.
Of course, it also helps if you get the facts right. Comparing Maori to aristocrats of the Ancien Régime is bizarre.
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It's a curious that ACT feel the need to say anything at all to the electorate when the party will be gifted Epsom at the very least - like some idiot bastard child of le Comte de Cupidité, l'Avarice et la Bigoterie having an estate and title conferred in said Ancien Regime.
For all his smug cleverness it's hard not to think of that old Twainism ""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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bob daktari, in reply to
It’s a curious that ACT feel the need to say anything at all
I'd suggest that with each utterance of stupid Act make will take attention away from the conservatives (their intellectual peers on the right) - this works for Act, their coalition partner and gifter of seats
or perhaps he just can't help himself
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Quasi legal favouritism, like being gifted your place in parliament by the incumbents, kind of proves Dr Whytes (lack of) abilities.
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Whyte/white represents the very essence of libertarianism; all for free and open debate, just as long as no one contradicts or argues against his rather perverse view of the world,
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And Whyte had the nerve to describe 'overtaxed Epsom voters' as a 'minority'. He's right, if he really means 'model minority' or 'market-dominant minority'.
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Maybe we should use Paul Henry's definition of what a New Zealander looks like.
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It’s a curious that ACT feel the need to say anything at all to the electorate when the party will be gifted Epsom at the very least
They're on 0.6% in the polls and Whyte needs about 1.2% to get into Parliament.
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Leopold, in reply to
That nice Mr Key has a good genuine Kiwi accent...
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Hmmm - sounds like Mr Whyte could do with reading this book: Crimes Against Logic
... oh, wait a minute ...
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I ink Whyte got exactly what he sought: People talking about ACT and him. Many may notice the talk without reading or investigating his argument and assume the content to be their own biases. Suits him fine, although intellectually dishonest.
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81stcolumn, in reply to
I don't doubt that crimes against logic will discuss petitio principii begging the question.
In so far as Whyte assumes material privilege without properly defining or verifying it then he is guilty of the above crime. My privileged white middle class educators taught me to ignore such arguments, specifically because they have no resolution. Consequently they are a distraction from more productive pursuits. ;-)
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ObjectiveReality, in reply to
How about because civilised, careful, fact-based debate might work a little better without the side-order of name-calling?
To be honest, while I think that'd be true in an ideal world, I don't think Jamie Whyte's up to that. Many of the posts cited here (particularly Matthew Dentith's) are actually pretty considered and uninsulting, and Whyte's response has been to claim that his detractors are incapable of rational thought. That means his call for "civilised" debate is actually disingenuous.
If he's going to behave like a troll, then perhaps troll-fighting techniques are a more appropriate way of conducting the argument.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Mr Whyte also fails to understand the meaning of privilege in his own speech. He says that Maori have legal privilege but this is privilege that has been given by those in power. Any other examples of privilege he talks about seem to be privilege taken by those in power. Yet he sees no difference.
That is a very good point.
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And now Mr Whyte is demanding that Susan Devoy resign for daring to disagree with him.
I think we can now actually call this a public meltdown.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
And now Mr Whyte is demanding that Susan Devoy resign for daring to disagree with him.
I think we can now actually call this a public meltdown.
Given that Dame Susan was probably appointed for her non-PC sensibilities, the fact that she's calling bollocks on Whyte speaks volumes.
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Whyte aside, I'm also interested in the PA community view on the way in which Susan Devoy is handling her new role.
I seem to recall quite a few vociferous opinions being espoused about her qualifications or lack thereof, before she had even started. Wondering if anyone has changed their views at all.
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Wondering if anyone has changed their views at all.
I think it's fair to say that the darker fears - she was being parachuted in to destroy the office from the inside - have been proven wrong.
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It's certainly courageous to call out the leader of a political party two months out from an election.
But she's not the first in her role to do what she's done, and be attacked for it.
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Will the people of Epsom suck it up and vote for him, regardless?
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