Posts by Joanna
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Hard News: Music: In music's own spaces, in reply to Robyn Gallagher,
it's made me think about situations in online communities that I'm currently involved with and what I can do to help prevent another type of situation like this.
Yup, this. As I've said before things are ugly all over the place and we need to get better at paying attention. I think Thomas Beagle's tweet on this is a pretty good starting point - "Based on tonight's story and others, I'm now upgrading "slightly sleazy behaviour to young women" from "warning light" to "loud klaxon".
And When The Creeper Is Your Mate is pretty essential reading too.
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Are there women you need to listen to? Guys you should keep a better eye on? Things you should say?
We all need to take responsibility for this.
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When I said Sacha liked referring to women as their genitals, it's this kind of shit that I meant. And sure if you'd like to derail what I said, then by all means, post screenshots of me calling men cocks, just make sure you're also posting screenshots of the dominant culture that has for thousands of centuries treated women purely as breeding machines.
I haven't chosen to just email you about the incredibly problematic people on PAS, Russell, because I think it's incredibly important others see and can feel validated knowing they are not the only ones with that unease. And I thought that perhaps my extensive suggestions after that might actually be listened to, but instead it was just another round of back-patting. I'm done.
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Hard News: Fix up, young men, in reply to Russell Brown,
what would you like me to do?
Good question and I don't have all the answers. I think though that maybe a good starting point might be a little like "I didn't realise how offensive many people found Jarrod & Sacha reducing to women to genitals when I was championing their work. I also didn't know that we had a commentator notorious for their dubious interpretations of consent. Would it be helpful if we had a discussion around codes of conduct? Do we need a stricter moderation policy? What are some examples from other places on the web which are really great at hearing people's voices? Would it be useful to move this conversation to a new thread so this one can concentrate purely on ways to make gigs safer?"
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It's great that you want to make concerts a safer happier place, that's a really good thing, so it's totally worthwhile bringing in people in the industry like LISTEN to talk about what's possible.
If only there was another kind of community you had more control over where women were telling you repeatedly about the uncomfortableness of and you were ignoring them...
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Hard News: Fix up, young men, in reply to Nat Curnow,
because real men just don’t do that shit.
What exactly is a real man? Because it appears to be again with the othering. I appreciate it is hard to accept that people in the same circles as you might act like total trashgoblins to women, but it absolutely happens.
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Here is the issue about making it about "the younger generation" (or substitute in a religion or a colour or a genre of music you don't like, aka rap): it conveniently passes on the responsibility for people your own age/colour/ideology. It's what allows you to publish columns from men who refer to women as cunts and twats when they say something you don't like. It's why a number of Wellington women won't post here because one of the commentators is known by most of us to be very unsafe. It's why many of the people I know are seething with rage on their private twitter accounts right now. It's why a Laneway-loving guy who thought he was a feminist dateraped me because obviouslty he's not one of those people. .
How women are treated, by everyone, is EVERYONE's responsibility. And the very best first thing you can do is actually listen to what they are telling you about their own experiences.
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Hard News: Fix up, young men, in reply to Russell Brown,
I’m kind of annoyed at being told it has always been thus, because I genuinely don’t think it has.
I'm real sorry that's inconvenient for you. This must be the most anyone has ever had to suffer because of the way men treat women.
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Hard News: Fix up, young men, in reply to Dean Hokianga,
Thank heavens the older generation is here to refer to younger women as drunkhos, now everything is fine. Yay for appropriate ways to act!
