Posts by David Haywood
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A tantalizing email! I have set up an PA account on this person's behalf and hopefully she will be able to offer further enlightenment (funny how technology tends to fail at the most inopportune moments)...
hello David,
I have tried & tried to sign in to the blog page discussing George & his illegitimate child but it will not accept that my password is correct. Even changing it/reconfirming it a number of timesI know who she was and was going to add this to the discussion
regards
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Bevan Shortridge,
Turnbull holds Alington family papers and part of the archive is a listing for:
Papers relating to Eileen Winter Coleman
Now how the hell did I miss that? Well done, sir! That's the absolute final nail in the coffin. Case closed! (Though I'd still be extremely interested in any further information or confirmation.)
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Annie Magee,
Under the Divorce aud Matrimonial Causes Act 1867 and the Acts amending the same. Between Eliza Ann Winter of Methven
Wow (again)! And note that it's the same solicitor as shown on the receipt for payment to the adopted child's mother (now known to be Eliza Ann Winter).
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,
Her birth parents are recorded as”
George Hlidebrand Alington and Eliza Ann WINTER nee Good.so have George and the vicar’s wife had a bit of a fling and Eileen the result?
Crikey! Well done, Dianne! You deserve the Nobel Prize for Geneology -- I shall put forward your name immediately!
And darn -- on the subject of vicars I now have to go and remove my son and another child from school for 'science club' (today: dismantling our piano!). Both children are science-y and ask too many questions to be allowed in the Bible Class, which the local school runs in the last school hour on Tuesdays. Oh, to have children who would just keep their mouths shut and not interrogate the nice lady from the church.
Will be back to contribute to this thread later tonight...
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,
Aust.
Amelia Mary died in 1912 in CHCH, buried in Linwood Cem…as is George in 1903.
In 1894-ish they adopted a girl known as Eileen Winter Coleman.Brilliant -- this is the Captain Coleman of Ashburton (who, incidentally, died very rich). Though he seemed the most likely candidate I had ruled him out as being too old (I think he was 80-ish).
The name of the adopted daughter makes sense as well, of course -- the Mrs E A Winter on the receipt for payment to the mother
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Lynley Chapman,
And this caught my eye for George Coleman on National Archives “Archway” website”
Wow – thanks for posting all that information, Lynley! Oh, and I’ve also discovered that Alington’s oldest daughter is buried in the same plot. I don’t suppose her headstone transcript mentions a date of birth?
And hopefully the George Coleman above is the two-years-hard-labour guy from Wellington (also at ten years old the adopted child would presumably not have been described as an infant)? Bad George Coleman seems to have been in trouble with the law on numerous occasions.
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,
You may be interested to know that there are a group of very dedicated genealogists who help folk find their elusive ancestors, missing people etc…on the Trade Me Community Board under Genealogy. Your blog has reached our board and we are starting to look for the adopted child.
Thanks Dianne -- that's brilliant!
Fascinating find. Do you know who the original and subsequent owners of your house were? Whoever hid the letter and receipts must have had some connection to the “events”.
There have only been three owners of the house (not including us) and I know a lot about the original owners and the owners immediately preceding us. The letter is unconnected with either of them -- and unlikely to be the intervening owners.
I haven't mentioned the exact place that the documents were discovered as knowledge of this would be a useful means of proof of ownership by any possible claimant(s).
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Ross Mason,
On reflection……..after the initial excitement…
What I think is the original letter:
Genius! I hadn't noticed so many different hands, but on close inspection of the original I think you're dead right.
My revised theory is……
The original letter is as above.
1,2,3,4 5 and 7 were written by George Coleman
6 was by Holland.
J.P. was crossed out by Coleman once all the signatures had been done to put it closer to his own signature.Here I'm not sure I entirely agree with the you...
Surely Alington must have signed the stamp (otherwise you would expect Coleman's name to be there), and the signature on the stamp is clearly the same as other instances of his name -- except perhaps the very first Alington (surname only) on line one and the Alington (surname only) below "said" at the end.
It seems to me, on reflection, that Alington's hand has added the "for the sum of twenty pounds" -- in fact, the letter would read perfectly well without this line.
So the different hands in the letter would look as per the attached JPG. (Red is Alington's hand; Blue is Rev Holland.)
This also explains the crossing out of the JP. It was originally intended that Coleman would sign his name in front of this as a witness to Alington's signature. But then Rev Holland added "me John Holland" which made the intended layout nonsensical.
So then Goerge Coleman signed below Holland's addition.
But I'm not sure who wrote the rest of the letter. If it was Coleman, then why is the G in his signature so different from the 'G' he uses when writing Mrs George Coleman.
Could it be that the letter was written by Coleman's solicitor with blanks left for him to fill in? This might also explain why the letter specifies Mrs George Coleman but not her husband.
At any rate, this would be a more pleasant interpretation as it would suggest that the concerns about the mother claiming the child were from the adoptive parents and not Alington.
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In reply to Ross Mason and Brent Jackson:
Very interesting points! Glad that someone is experiencing the same mental torture as myself in terms of analysing this document.
With regard to the 'different' inks: does anyone have experience in writing with whatever pen they used in 1893? Does the pen run out of ink (so that the ink appears faded) and you have to dip it (or something) to recharge the ink? Could this explain the appearance that different ink has been used in places, i.e. it was actually a result of the pen needing to be dipped again?
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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand…, in reply to Geoff Lealand,
Like trying to figure out the origins of all the photographs of gents in uniforms, signed with affectionate messages to my mother, when we cleared out her belongings (she had also been married thrice, with an illegitimate child between the second and third ,marriage).
Wow...
