Speaker: Copyright Must Change
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Interesting article on a new P2P study
Instead of enforcement, the study implies that copyright holders should view P2P file sharing as a new kind of broadcast medium, one which should be licensed. A legitimate market, in other words.
I personally think P2P technologies are a great way to address some of the problems with distribution of content. It's sad that the technology is so allied in peoples minds with piracy and copyright infringement.
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It's sad that the technology is so allied in peoples minds with piracy and copyright infringement.
I don't think that's the case entirely.
peter jenner put forward the subscription model idea (add a few dollars to every internet connection fee and say go for it) at his talks last year. The theory is interesting but the reality of channeling that money fairly to content holders isn't an easy one and then there are those who say "I only use the net for email so why should I pay" etc.
To make it work you really do need an increased level of control and knowledge of what goes down the pipes. -
No, you just need surveying like APRA etc, use. Don't need to track every single transaction, though the more you do the better it probably is for small players as opposed to high profile big sellers. Maybe there's another way around that?
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It doesn't state it exactly,
It doesn't say it at all. If you want to talk intellectual dishonety, look no further than yourself.
but I can't be arsed bending over backwards for someone who is quite willing themselves to make very ropey factual claims (with no acknowledgement of the stuff up by the way).
If you mean about the law, there is a post on the way, but it's been a busy day. You're doing quite well at the offensiveness yourself, for one so young.
Given that you were quite prepared to be utterly offensive because you didn't recognise quite a standard term of the art in the very field we're discussing, I don't think I need to apply the strictest standards of intellectual charity here.
Oh dear, haven't you got over that yet? I made a mistake, I apologised. You are now being more offensive, and also arrogant. Perhaps, by the time you finish your 200 level classes, you may be a little more familiar with the concept of knowledge that you haven't attained.
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No, Mr, Harris, if that were all I should have accepted that and moved on; it is the bit where you then go on to say
Ri-ight. You assert that only "professionals" are allowed to create culture. Sorry for forgetting that. Tell, me Rob, who are these professionals? Where do they come from? What qualifies them to be professionals?
without any proof even half as good as mine to back up that that is Rob's position;
it is the bit where you say
So some pigs are more equal than other pigs, eh?
which, quite aside from being somewhat of an offensive misappropriation of actual oppression is a complete misrepresentation of Giovanni's position; it is the bit where you brush off an actual honest-to-god national treasure that makes me not quite willing to bend over backwards for you.
(By the way
It was written in an environment where relative scarcity was the fundamental basis of commerce (and that scarcity was often artificially maintained).
You said that; I think it is an entirely reasonable reading to see that as a claim that copyright was a response to (i.e. it arose out of an environment defined by and in an attempt to deal with) scarcity. The argument is then that, of course, the strikingly salient point about printing is not scarcity, but rather the opposite.)
I should also note that I have never accused you of intellectual dishonesty; I have merely said that I do not think you deserve the intellectual charity one might extend in other situations.
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No, you
aren't you supposed to be ignoring me like der fuhious ordered you to.
I'd like it better if you would. saves me rolling my eyes at your comments. -
Another record company posts a good profit, mostly from publishing income and digital.
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its easy to over react but who in reality is requiring excerpts from dvds? Universities? then they already have all they need to address the issue. primary schools? maybe not so much.
I know it's been a while since we were all at school, but these days secondary school English and Media courses both examine visual media texts in some detail.
It does remind me of the time that Michael Glading declared that no one needed iTunes playlists because there were perfectly good carousel CD players available.
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That's childish, Rob. Just address the points made rather than distract us with more of your petty and ignorant bullshit.
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Page 95, and you're expecting Rob to drop the petty bullshit and stick to the point now?
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Page 95,
stop side tracking this issue steve.
you said it in your first 2 words. "page 95". 95 is not 100.as for sacha's comment,
I haven't got a monopoly of petty on here by a long shot as any number of your posts since your "who owns culture comment" will testify. as for your "ignorant bullshit" add on, fuck off big nose, if you were only half as knowledgeble and wise as you think you are, you'd still come up well short.
What exactly do you think you know about how apra's system works, how it has changed over the last decade and how it addresses the needs of the wide expanse of music creators from the biggest to the most introverted, and how that could ever be applied to all media on the net.
Your comments are like cotton wool in a world of brick.And why would you for a second imagine I'd want to discuss anything with you?
seriously, you personally,.... don't engage me, It's one of the few things I can agree with Mark on. -
It does remind me of the time that Michael Glading declared
is that cos you're old?
seriously though, if you're suggesting that the motion picture industries undermine or dismantle their copy protection system so that teachers don't have to go to the expense of buying a copy or telesyncing a copy of the relevant bits, its hardly a glading fopah is it. Its a seriously tricky situation and as fun as it is to sit back from a distance and chuckle superiorly into our collective sleeves. What exactly is it you think these people should do to accommodate teaching in a way that protects their already fragile standpoint.maybe that's just petty bullshit, but I can see their point.
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more like bored
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Well stop then.
Perhaps everyone should, because robbery isn't the only one I'm unimpressed with, having caught up with the thread.
I don't actually have the facility to close comments right now, but let's say no one should post in this thread again unless they're prepared to show good faith and courtesy. I'm sure it's possible.
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Well stop then.
specifically bored with sacha. you've met the mystery person but I'm imagining some burly russian guy making with the digs and it really isn't conducive to intelligent discussion as much as you think I'm not trying to make it.
I was actually interested in Keir's responses, and mr stowell's battle was eloquent skillful, insightful and quie entertaining.
The MPA copying issue had some really interesting perspectives to be had if one could get past that whole smugly wise than thou thing.
In their position with examples of copy protect that do work and with budgets in the multi million of dollars for each of their products what really is fair to expect of them?
Should they dismantle their protection so that primary school teachers can have a crisp digital copy of a chunk of barney for their kids to dance to?
I can see the side of "media is culture" and its relevance, but I can also see the side of media is investment and everyone who embraces that media has a responsiblity to help pay for its production, pay their part in it.
Make light of their position with a bit of mirth just shows a lack of respect and understanding for their position, and that in turn insights a similar reaction back?
I'd stil be interested to know What would you do in their position, if you were spending multi millions to make these films and people wanted to copy them for no money to you?unless they're prepared to show good faith and courtesy.
I'm cool with that.
can we apply that good faith toward the multiple parties involved in the issue too, who don't happen to be participating in the thread.I personally don't care about major companies but I can see it from their side and I take offense at belittling any media owner (big or small) because their position is an insanely difficult one to be in at the moment. Everyone wants a piece of them. We here don't have to be part of the belittlement and its possible to critique them with out taking the piss.
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Another record company posts a good profit, mostly from publishing income and digital.
from the whole dissemination of media production angle that looks like a bad thing.
They take a hit on individual cd sales and make it up on things that are predominantly and historically accessible mostly to big corporations.
publishing deals are not often struck with the bedroom guitar hero down the road directly, they're done via connections with big corps, who take their cut of course.Selling copies of your music was accessible to everyone (getting it into stores was more difficult) but if its now the loss leader and you pick it up on publishing that means big corps get to corner even more the financial wellspring.
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FWIW I heard- (rumour-mill, thirdhand disclaimer) that the delburgoes got $400 for a song (last twist) used on a fairly big x-box or playstation game. I guess it's a few burgers, and a kind of bonus. But a piffling sum, if correct.
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But a piffling sum, if correct.
I heard a similar thing about jps experience getting $250 for their track in something like a glassons commercial.
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This is aherm- topical.
Wonder how long it lasts. Fun for expats. -
I said I'd gone from this thread - and will, after this post:
Mark Harris, by your own words, have NEVER published any thing!
At all!I was utterly astonished to learn this.
How the fuck dare you criticise any published writer?
I said, a long time upthread, you didnt know the game of writing.
That you knew diddlysquat about the writing game? I picked that from your comments. You are a callow nothing, and all the words you have posted (with the interesting exception about a definition) are - worthtless.robbery - kia kaha - but I think the game here is over - wont be coming back mate-
thanks Russell for the courtesy of the place-
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but I think the game here is over
there's still some interesting thoughts here. As I've said up thread I've really appreciated Mr Stowell's take on things, keir's comments likewise.
the mildly disturbing thing is that half arsed half informed views said loud enough can have an impact, usually on someone else.
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How the fuck dare you criticise any published writer?
Have I criticised your writing? No. I have taken issue with your opinions regarding the future of publishing and the nature of copyright. Your opinions on these matters are worth as much as anyone else's and no more.
Further, I have not sworn at you or belittled you. You have done this a number of times to me.
I said, a long time upthread, you didnt know the game of writing. That you knew diddlysquat about the writing game?
And you were wrong bot then and now.
I picked that from your comments. You are a callow nothing, and all the words you have posted (with the interesting exception about a definition) are - worthtless.
Your opinion is noted and disregarded.
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And you were wrong bot then and now.
Your opinion is noted and disregarded.dude's just trying to get the thread shut down now by being a parody of arse hole. I say it doesn't count cos no one could be that much of a self centered prick and actually be for real.
Nice try mark, you almost had us all fooled, -
oh ffs stop it the lot of you.
Russell says don't be dicks and suddenly everyone's trying to outdo the last in offensiveness.
(And I'm scarcely a model of politesse myself, but come on, there's no need to be utter tossers, and I think that not saying anything is probably a damn good idea at this point*.)
* yeah, yeah, I know, physician heal thyself. But I shall!
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