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Juha - it *is* Hainan ji fan, also Hainanese chicken rice. That's why the rice tastes all chickeny. Unless you add Deborah Coddington instead. Then I don't know what it would taste like.
Warning: Metaphor reaching maximum extension levels. Do not extend further.
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Juha - it *is* Hainan ji fan, also Hainanese chicken rice. That's why the rice tastes all chickeny. Unless you add Deborah Coddington instead. Then I don't know what it would taste like.
Warning: Metaphor reaching maximum extension levels. Do not extend further.
I'd say it would be extremely bitter and sour. :D Copies of North & South/Herald on Sunday will make ideal fuel for the pot.
Extension levels well & truly breached.
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Shaz,
Mind. Boggling.
Oh yeah, well done guys. I've been walking round the office grinning all day. Most fun I've had creeping out the colleagues in weeks. I look forward to Codding*ton getting done for breaching embargo -
Yeah - congratulations! I'm probably off chicken for a while though...
It will be interesting to see if they hoist La Codding*ton for letting rip yet again.
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I doubt that North & South will. To sack Coddington would be an admission of guilt, which would put Robyn Langwell's head on the block, too. Which I think would be fair enough, but I suspect that the publisher wants to make as little of a scene as possible. There'll probably be a quiet failure to renew Coddington's contract at some point in the future. If not for the magazine's reputation, then at least for the morale of the staff.
The HoS, though... they should sack her for writing such shit, but she's an op-ed columnist - they're beyond the law. In fact, the more she's hated, the more valuable she becomes as a columnist.
(Note to self: Clone Hitler and pimp him out as a columnist.)
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RB - there may be some bots that you have trouble stopping
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I doubt that North & South will. To sack Coddington would be an admission of guilt, which would put Robyn Langwell's head on the block, too. Which I think would be fair enough, but I suspect that the publisher wants to make as little of a scene as possible.
I presume you haven't heard: they're doing away with editors at Metro and and North & South, with an ACP managing editor overseeing both magazines. Metro's editorship is vacant since Lauren Quaintance left, but the gossip is that the whole thing is a way of easing out Robyn Langwell. Not much fun for everyone else though.
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RB - there may be some bots that you have trouble stopping
Miaow.
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I doubt that North & South will. To sack Coddington would be an admission of guilt, which would put Robyn Langwell's head on the block, too. [...]The HoS, though... they should sack her for writing such shit, but she's an op-ed columnist - they're beyond the law. In fact, the more she's hated, the more valuable she becomes as a columnist.
You can dream, Keith - but the Herald on Scumday seems remarkably disinclined to sack anyone who can't tell the difference between news and fiction. Not that the Scummy Smear-Lies is any better. I didn't notice anyone connected with the Operation Leaf debacle (you know, the Wartergate-ish spy scandal that wasn't) become persona non grata at Fairfac.
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RB - there may be some bots that you have trouble stopping
Aha! I knew it... Keith is a bot. That's why his surname jumps to the right when you mouseover his byline on the PA home page. It's a signal, I tell you.... None of the other PA'ers names have that "jump"...it's not natural...
(Runs down the centre of traffic on the motorway yelling "They're here already! You're next! You're next, You're next... " )
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But but... I thought you removed the chicken before you cook the rice in the same water? Are you trying to break the rice bowl of my rich thoughts?
What do you mean I'm being literal? Huh?
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Mediawatch examined this issue today. Worth a listen, if just for closure, and an interview with Deborah.
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<quote>Mediawatch examined this issue today. Worth a listen, if just for closure, and an interview with Deborah.<quote>
I heard Media Watch yesterday - good - but when I caught up with Phil Warrington's Media item on the nine to noon (nat rad) website, I was horrified by his (what I considered) shallow response. Would Kim Hill have let him get away with that?
I must be getting old and bitter - watched Close up t'other night and lead item was Tom Scott and Bob Jones commenting on the arrest of Barrymore.
I'm ancient enough to remember better days.
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Keith,
It was interesting to here a member of the concerned coddington clan, Paul Thompson from the Christchurch Press targeting yourself for overt scrutiny if not a black listing in 17June07 Media Report.
Pauls wee piece on Lincoln Uni & Asians rested on a Pakeha sitting an exam for his Asian girlfriend. To my eyes more of an affair of the heart than anything else.
Look after yourself
Kia kaha
Michael -
It was interesting to here a member of the concerned coddington clan, Paul Thompson from the Christchurch Press targeting yourself for overt scrutiny if not a black listing in 17June07 Media Report.
Can you tell us a bit more about what he actually said? What's Media Report? And was he perhaps pissed off in the first place by Keith's excellent article for the AEN Journal?:
http://www.aen.org.nz/journal/2/1/ng.html
If he even hinted at anything like a blacklist, he would be a disgrace to the profession, but I guess I should wait to find out exactly what he did say.
Pauls wee piece on Lincoln Uni & Asians rested on a Pakeha sitting an exam for his Asian girlfriend. To my eyes more of an affair of the heart than anything else.
Really? Wow. That paper's hysterical demand for the racial profiles of exam cheats was fairly extraordinary.
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Thompson didn't sound like 'a member of the concerned coddington clan'. He mentioned Keith's response in the context of saying that both sides made it personal; therefore such tit-for-tat scrutiny should be expected. Besides, it was the interviewer who brought the matter up.
Thompson seemed to make a genuine effort to understand the criticism of his newspaper, but also defended the right of the press to publish what they want.The press should continue to be free to target ethnic or special interest groups deserving of criticism, in the same way that they are able to target, say, boyracers, as long as they have facts at hand.
Coddington made up statistics. Her lack of contrition was alarming - she attacked her critics needlessly, and refused to admit her mistakes - I wouldn't hire her to write anything if I was an editor.
Perhaps some people would like to apply a different set of standards to criticising ethnic-based groups to what they applied recently when criticising Bish Tamaki or the Exclusive Brethren? -
Thompson didn't sound like 'a member of the concerned coddington clan'. He mentioned Keith's response in the context of saying that both sides made it personal; therefore such tit-for-tat scrutiny should be expected. Besides, it was the interviewer who brought the matter up.
That's a relief.
Thompson seemed to make a genuine effort to understand the criticism of his newspaper, but also defended the right of the press to publish what they want.
It was the shrieky tone of The Press's stories and the way it pitched its demand for racial statistics as some sort of crusade for press freedom that I found odd. There were other ways to write that story.
The press should continue to be free to target ethnic or special interest groups deserving of criticism, in the same way that they are able to target, say, boyracers, as long as they have facts at hand.
The problem is that when you "target" per se a particular ethnic group (and more particularly a catch-all category like "Asians") you're making generalisations, which is obviously perilous. Such generalisations are not usually issued with respect to, say, white folks. (Well, they are sometimes, including on this site, and are frequently met with indignation.)
Generalisations might be alright if they have some substance. I'd want to check my facts before, say, publicly venturing as fact the impression that too many Pacific Island families still hit their kids too much.
You also want to make sure you have the right story. Damian Christie's Close Up story, which turned the camera around and looked at Chinese New Zealanders as victims of crime and prejudice, and had them tell their stories, was much more compelling that the general sense of "menace" that the N&S story was pitching.
Perhaps some people would like to apply a different set of standards to criticising ethnic-based groups to what they applied recently when criticising Bish Tamaki or the Exclusive Brethren?
Not the same thing at all. Tamaki is an individual public figure; he can easily enough be criticised for what he says or does. And the EB is a clearly demarcated relgious organisation, which is also criticised for the actions of its leadership. There's no corresponding Head Asian directing things.
I think Keith made the point when he first wrote about the Coddington story that there was probably a genuine story in there: she just didn't write it.
If you ever see iBall, Lincoln Tan's gleefully tabloidy English-language Chinese newspaper, it's worth reading. They get some real stories, and really piss people off sometimes. I think they're actually quite brave.
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Admittedly it was a veiled threat on Sundays National Radio (sorry it was Mediawatch).
"This particular commentator has shown his colours, he has shown his tactics and he will be judged by these tactics as well." Paul Thomson about Keith Ng
I read a little into Pauls statement as he is putting out his own fires.
I think it shows a good journo getting more out of the interviewee than he wanted to say.Lincoln Uni story
The Press 'said' they had all this evidence but the only person was a chick who captivated the heart of some guy. Maybe she used him, maybe it was the pressure to stay together.
The point is they had only ONE identified case of cheating and it was by a PAKEHA (& really nice dude).
There was a post grad student who rather than hand in her allowed notes at the end of some exam took it with her - a clerical error at best - & she was allowed to stay - anything else would have been a massive injustice.
There were numbers of cheats noted but not detailed only speculation as to whom - ugly stuff!
This Press Journo won a race relations award last year (They're not hard to get. I got two for my office over the same timeframe)
Chockasunday
The thing that gets me about this is exactly as you so correctly put it as TARGETING. It's nasty stuff.
Boy Racers haven't changed - I remember Cass St on a Saturday Night. The story could be fines aren't working our system is failing them. PD should be put in its place - where they go around and pick up rubbish on a Friday/Saturday night.
But it’s much easier to get that whip'n boy. -
"This particular commentator has shown his colours, he has shown his tactics and he will be judged by these tactics as well."
That's completely unwarranted, especially given the bullshit that Coddington threw around in the course of the Press Council process. Including, of course, her baseless claim that I was the secret hand behind it all so I could work out some decade-old grudge against her. Then there was her lashing out in her HoS column at "insane bloggers" and "blog nutters" - clearly targeted at Keith.
What I admired about Keith and Tze Ming's approach to the complaint was their determination to stick to the facts. It seems to Press Council thought the same way.
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Russell
Have a wee listen to 17June07 Mediawatch - Bens LINK from 5am 18jun07. and see what you think. About 15-17mins through.
There is ref to the whole conspiracy thing - rather than a normal outrage to bad journalism by the community as a whole.
I do think the hit and score N/S ed & an end to Coddington there may have a backlash, hopefully not a big one.
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I'm not aware of the exam cheating issue, my comments about Thompson only related to him talking about Coddington.
I enjoyed Damian Christie's item on Close Up, it was great to see some immigrants on screen answering questions I would have asked them myself, and to see that they were mostly happy with NZ.
I'm wary of NZ moving towards a press culture where certain topics never get mentioned, for example, if they are seen as potentially upsetting to some members of the community.
Support of freedom of the press means supporting publishing of not just the views you agree with, but also the views you disagree with.
The thing that gets me about this is exactly as you so correctly put it as TARGETING. It's nasty stuff.
I don't think targeting is nasty stuff; as long as it's based on facts. E.g. I'd want a chemical company polluting the environment to be targeted by the press.
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<i>Admittedly it was a veiled threat on Sundays National Radio (sorry it was Mediawatch).
"This particular commentator has shown his colours, he has shown his tactics and he will be judged by these tactics as well." Paul Thomson about Keith Ng</i>
Michael, come on... I'm not carrying water for Coddington here, but I think your characterisation is every bit as OTT as Thomson's general tone. Sorry, but I think he had a fair point under the hyperbole - whatever problems I have with Coddington (quite a few, believe you me) I've not particularly liked the rather shrill ad hominem that's crept into this. God knows Debs practically begs for it as often as not, and I wouldn't blame Keith for rising to the bait after pretty much being called a liar with a hidden agenda, but I can't help feeling there's a more serious problem that nobody seems to be talking about in the rush to urinate on Coddington.
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And here's one for the are Fairfax paying their journalists with drugs? file:
Kiwi seduces Japanese housewives
By JAMES WEIR - The Dominion Post | Tuesday, 19 June 2007
Reserve Bank governor Alan Bollard is trying to take the top off the Kiwi dollar again, but Japanese housewives are standing in his way.
Damn those slitty-eyed hausfraus, and their fiscal-harassment of poor Doctor Bollard! Sorry, but even on the level of headline-ese, this is a really bizarre spin on the Yellow Peril.
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Craig, do you know that "Japanese housewives" are a long-standing and not inaccurate shorthand for Japanese retail investors? It's not Yellow Peril at all. Although I wonder what happened to the Belgian dentists.
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I'm wary of NZ moving towards a press culture where certain topics never get mentioned, for example, if they are seen as potentially upsetting to some members of the community.
Support of freedom of the press means supporting publishing of not just the views you agree with, but also the views you disagree with.
I'm not sure what you mean by "certain topics", perhaps you could clarify?
And some perspective here: Coddington has not been arrested, fined, sacked, slagged off by her editor/employer, or suffered any repercussions whatsoever except being criticised. Hardly an attack on freedom of the press.
And the Press Council's remit doesn't run to swoops on cafes and doctors' waiting-rooms. The damage is being done daily, every time an "Asian" - or a potential bigot - picks up the wretched magazine.
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