Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

statement taking credit for the law as it was during the previous government. And that just seems wrong.

I'm channelling Al Swearengen here
'Cocksuckers'

stumps me...
What were the pressing reasons given for passing it under urgency?

And what were the real reasons?

And what were the real reasons?

Need to distract from the Labour leadership contest? If the reaction of the National party is any indication, they're really worried Labour might do well out of the whole process.

What were the pressing reasons given for passing it under urgency?

That was possibly an unnecessary dig from me. The bill had a full legislative process. The government is - this time - basically just using urgency to give themselves more time to pass a whole bunch of laws without really speeding up the legislative process.

added six extra offences to the list of serious offences (basically: underage sex

Including sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 16. Tooooootally something against which society is in desperate need of protection. But I guess it helps make up the numbers.

The bill had a full legislative process.

Didn't see that one coming.

I don't know why this is surprising.

taking credit for the law as it was during the previous government

They've blamed the previous Government for all of the cock-ups, so why wouldn't they take credit for the positive things?

And I use "positive" in the loosest way possible.

'Cocksuckers'

You think this is an insult, why ?

Some of my best friends ...

I notice there are submissions called for on a review of Standing Orders.

Is it worth submitting? I'd have several suggestions:
- removal of financial veto
- supermajority required for urgency
- a ban on bringing any kind of prop into the parliamentary chamber

You can't ban props! Mabel Howard's angry ghost will hunt you down!

Has anyone pointed out that the so-called "Christie's Law" wouldn't have protected her, since Chand doesn't appear to have had prior convictions?

Am I wrong in believing that the new amendments wouldn't have saved Christie?

My understanding is that the tighter bail conditions are for a SECOND offence, while Christie was killed while Akshay was on bail for kidnapping her (his first offence).

Yeah, what Matt said...

supermajority required for urgency

Maybe for introducing any legislation that's not appropriations? Otherwise the Opposition would drag the Budget out for years by forcing the government of the day to pass the Budget during ordinary sitting times and with public submissions. Urgency for the Budget is a long-standing tradition conducted by both sides for many, many years. It's the use of urgency to avoid scrutiny of other legislation which has become rampant and is grossly offensive to ordinary constitutional checks.

Is it worth submitting?

It is worth submitting. I made a submission last time and got some changes.

Am I wrong in believing that the new amendments wouldn’t have saved Christie?

Akshay Chand was under 20, so had a near autotmatic right to bail. Had the law change been in effect, Police could have opposed bail on the ordinary adult standard, so it would have been more difficult for him to get. He may still have gotten bail, but it could definitely have made a difference.

Haiden Jones, convicted for the murder of Augustine Borrell, however, has been mentioned a few times in people discussing this law, but while he had previous conviction for violence, he appears to have been on bail for aggravated assault and theft, which aren’t included in the list of serious criminal offences to which the reverse onus can apply.

why ?

The way Al Swearengen sez it, it is.
You watched Deadwood?
And I'm sure your friends are lovely people...

bits and pisces...

You can’t ban props!
Mabel Howard’s angry ghost
will hunt you down!

Now all I can see is a conflation
of bloomers and snapper...

Eureka!
Puffer Fish!

So let me get this right. You're complaining that an ad isn't 100% pure truth?

I believe that the Advertising Standards Authority has tested that and decided that is 100% allowed.