Hard News: Veitch
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Just back to Susan Boyle for a moment - she has recorded in the past. here is a track she made in 1999 for a charity CD.
WHAT A VOICE!
Given that she recorded this jolly track ten years ago when recording companies still had squillions of A&R people, it makes you wonder why she wasn't spotted then...
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Given that she recorded this jolly track ten years ago when recording companies still had squillions of A&R people, it makes you wonder why she wasn't spotted then...
I suspect because a lot of A&R guys were like Simon "I'll sign Take That if they dump the fat one" Cowell
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Updatin':
The reporter on the Dunne-Powell story tomorrow is Jonathan Marshall, so it could appear in the Sunday News, the Star Times or both.
The story that the Sunday News recently tried to go with concerned an old -- and, as far as I can tell, false -- rumour about Dunne-Powell's personal life. Even if it were true, I'd struggle to see its relevance for Team Veitch, other than to either intimidate or smear.
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__ Seems to me that that is misleading the court, if the judge is so inclined (I would be, but that's me). Also, IMHO, Dame Susan would be justified in taking Grieve to the Law Society for "conduct unbecoming". Graeme?__
Grieve is claiming to know nothing and that it was Veitch's father who solicited the references.
QC's command a pretty penny for doing a good job, and that normally extends to extensive oversight of anybody doing anything to do with a trial.
If the above is true then Grieve's a piss poor QC.
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The smears have been continuing.
In breaking news, V. has been rescued again.
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In breaking news, V. has been rescued again.
Far out, the guy needs to take a deep breath and slow down. Doing the right thing extends to oneself as well as to the people one has wronged.
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It seems it's not just apalling legal advice he's getting.
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In breaking news, V. has been rescued again.
I kind of wish the media would lay off that particular story, if they're tracking it down independently - if you take it at face value, it doesn't do *anyone* any good to have it be public property, least of all Veitch. It's quite distasteful.
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So, apparently, his "suffering" continues... and I'm sick of hearing about it. Incredible, the amount of airtime the perpetrator has had, vs the victim.
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So, apparently, his "suffering" continues... and I'm sick of hearing about it. Incredible, the amount of airtime the perpetrator has had, vs the victim.
And that is, of course, the *other* reason it's distasteful to give it headline status. But I do think that Kirstin Dunne-Powell has had less media coverage through an admirable and firm decision to not let it become a two-way media battle. It's allowed Veitch's PR team free reign, but it seems to have been the right decision for her personally. You've got to respect that.
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You've got to respect that.
I certainly do - I think the relative quantities make TV look like a whining narcissist.
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How many alleged attempts now? Call me callous, but we might need a rewrite of Sylvia Plath for our Tony:
Dying is an art, like everything else.
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In breaking news, V. has been rescued again.
I can't help but be cynical and say that given the depths Team Veitch has sunk to, that this may well be a fabricated story designed to elicit sympathy for him.
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How many alleged attempts now? Call me callous, but we might need a rewrite of Sylvia Plath for our Tony:
Gack - that was, possibly, a bit callous. Unless we choose to see nefarious intent or spotlight grabbing here (or, in fact, even if we chose to, since at this point this particular turn would be bizarre beyond belief), there is something downright tragic in the wretched advice that this guy is paying so dearly for, instead of the one he should be getting. One or more of these well remunerated figures should perhaps step up and point it out.
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Just be mindful of boundaries, folks.
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Several family & friends are currently on medication for severe clinical depression (lifelong for 2.)
While attempted suicide has been a factor for 3 - and I would never belittle the severe pain of deep depression so that must always be an option- the last thing any of them would've wanted is *any* kind of publicity.I truly cannot understand - except as an assinine attempt to garner public sympathy - why any Veitch family member - or other associated person - would let this material out into the public arena.
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The family spokesperson explicitly links this attempt with how the media characterised Veitch's behaviour after the sentencing:
TVNZ reported this evening that a spokesperson close to the Veitch family confirmed the broadcaster had "made another attempt to take his life on Saturday afternoon".
It said he went into a "severe depression" following media reports in previous days that he was not remorseful for the attack on his former partner Kristin Dunne-Powell.
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All I can say then is - letting the information out into the public arena does not seem to be totally motivated by a concern for Mr Veitch's mental health...he is part of the media, a public animal, and the media notoriously feeds on its own-
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It's hard to know whether the latest report is genuine or more PR spin.
However, let's assume for a moment that the suicide attempt story is genuine. We've all enjoyed putting the boot in (sorry about the pun), myself included, but if he has attempted self-harm he needs serious help.
I don't for a moment excuse the appalling thing he has done, but maybe it's time we all calm down and let the man get the help he needs.
It may be just a PR stunt, but what if it isn't? I don't want to help drive anyone (however unpleasant they may be) to an early grave.
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We should not be cynical about this. If someone appears to have attempted suicide, we should assume that his intention was genuine.
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I don't for a moment excuse the appalling thing he has done, but maybe it's time we all calm down and let the man get the help he needs.
I completely agree, and I think that extends to the people around him. If this is a genuine bid, they need to put the media strategy to one side, dial everything down and see that he gets the help he needs. No more interviews, no more stupid "blood on the floor" rhetoric or cracks at Dunne-Powell, nothing. Whatever the truth, this is turning in some sort of horrorshow.
And here, you may discuss the case and the issues and what's in the papers, but, please, show restraint.
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Scott Y - agree.
And even if it is a PR stunt of sorts, it still shows the man isn't handling things rationally at the moment and needs space and help.
An attempt doesn't need an actual death wish attached to be a sign of having lost the ability to cope. I hope the Veitch family can leave the media alone and focus solely on helping the chap get through his spin-out.
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I don't for a moment think it's a stunt (and not just becase it's hard to see how it could possibly benefit him), but that his spokesperson put out the statement it did, linking the episode to the less than favourable media narrative of the last few days - as opposed to, say, an ongoing problem he might have - shows that the people around him just don't know when to say stop. He's not being well served, and that's sad regardless of what one might think of him.
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Giovanni, people do attempt suicide as a sort of PR stunt - although we don't generally describe it that way. We politely call it a cry for help or attention, which is what it is.
A close family member recently did exactly that, as an 'O pity meeeee' thing. Fortunately for everyone's sanity he managed by his actions to shock & embarrass himself into changing his attitude, but at the time it was something he felt he needed to do. Needless to say he wasn't thinking particularly rationally at the time.
From what I understand this is a relatively common way for people to get help when they need it desperately and have dug themselves into a deep mental hole about a situation.
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Then I'd refer you to what Paul said - it's simply not up to us to make that kind of speculation. There are aspects of this story that are compelling and rightly invite analysis and discussion, chiefly on how such a case can become a media spectacle and what it says about societal views and debates on crime, on celebrity and what is and isn't okay. But underneath all that there are private lives and private pain and we shouldn't presume to go there I think, except insofar as one has to wonder of much of that privacy and of that pain is being sacrificed to the spectacle.
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