Hard News: To be expected
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The silver haired Collins is full on creaming it I reckon,
In her dark blue top she is the standard we have come to expect from those lightweight pale blues who wish to skim Dotcom and his (m)ilk.
You are spoiled Collins,
Curd anyone believe yougot a whey with it so far?
Your long life must be flashing pasteurise . -
Ian Dalziel, in reply to
...past your eyes
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debunk, in reply to
Suspect Greens would be more likely to get Ministerial positions with National (if Hon Dunne can get away with making up silly laws and behaving badly) ..Greens are not really that "left" - their view of economics is pretty conventional in the current world banking and business climate where all sorts of chicanery and nonsense is heating up ..looking at March 8th Economist on their Finance and Economics section ..which mag may be miguided on warming climate change but are forced to examine the "rigging" etc going on, even in commodity markets ..and forex .. NZ is involved. Oravida with Collins and PM overt support surely offshoot of dodgy "market" behaviour condoned by present govt. Thin ice.
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Sacha, in reply to
Greens are not really that "left" - their view of economics is pretty conventional
that must be why they are still getting stick from the Nats for suggesting earthquake bonds, eh
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debunk, in reply to
There are some clever people in the Greens compared with current Labour leftovers, and they should be in more senior positions .. which they won't get with Labour but might get with National.
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Suspect the folk flooded out again in Christchurch would be happy with any fund raising method to speed up relief!
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Suspect the folk flooded out again in Christchurch would be happy with any fund raising method to speed up relief!
Seeing as we are in the South Island, this guy seems a tad disillusioned and rightfully so.
Some of the comments though are just mean. -
Steve Barnes, in reply to
There are some clever people in the Greens compared with current Labour leftovers, and they should be in more senior positions .. which they won’t get with Labour but might get with National.
Don't even consider thinking about postulating the possibility that anything closely resembling that eventuality could ever be within the realms of a probable scenario that could be imagined in the most rabid of Green minds.
The "She'll be awl right Mate" attitude of the blind sycophantic supplicants of the marauding market forces prevalent within the Multi-National Party are as sickening to the Greens as the thought of a pork sandwich would be to a Rabbi.
I would go as far as to suggest that the most likely partner that the Multi-National Party could find would be the Devil himself. -
As one of the first Green Elected counsellors in Local Government I don't feel that I am being especially Mean or Sickening..the Greens will do what it takes, and they are not the Party of a decade ago (which in some ways is a good thing). Not meaning to stir but all I am trying to say is that Labour should be more friendly and accommodating because they NEED THE GREENS onside and the current Green crop of list MPs is smarter and younger than the Labour lot, manyof whom should retire and get some fresh ..?? (brains, attitudes, energy, knowhow).. in there. Sad situation as I see it at the moment. Greens also need to get elected rather than rely on the List. Just my opinion.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
the Greens will do what it takes,
As did the Maori Party.
Labour NEED the Greens? Not quite.
Labour would appreciate the Greens support, the Greens would have less power under National than Labour, the greens NEED Labour.
If the expected backlash against National is sizable then Labour could govern alone, I would like to think. However. If Labour needs support on confidence and supply I am sure a deal could and would be done but it would be churlish to suggest that Greens would be able to hold Labour to ransome without jeopardising their integrity. You only have to look to Nationals attitude to climate change to appreciate that. -
Kumara Republic, in reply to
and the current Green crop of list MPs is smarter and younger than the Labour lot, manyof whom should retire and get some fresh ..?? (brains, attitudes, energy, knowhow).. in there. Sad situation as I see it at the moment. Greens also need to get elected rather than rely on the List. Just my opinion.
Labour has some smart people, but they're overshadowed by the dead wood seat-warmers. I've said it before, but the one complicating factor in going Michelle Boag on the dead wood is the spectre of Lange vs Douglas, despite the fact that many of the hardliners defected to other parties years ago.
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Let's hope you're right Steve. Good article by Hugh Pavletich today "New Zealand's Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable" .. that's the problem here and neither Mana nor the Maori Party have any firepower to avoid it ..and Labour just looks so weak. Not to say similar problems in UK and Australia. Corporate power. I really dislike the phrase "New Zealand Inc." The backlash against National will not be "sizable" because there is no credible alternative being presented to the "back pocket" voter. My opinion.
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Sacha, in reply to
need to get elected rather than rely on the List
Under MMP, an electorate MP is no more deserving than a list one. The sooner silly FPP thinking like that dies out, the better.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Under MMP, an electorate MP is no more deserving than a list one. The sooner silly FPP thinking like that dies out, the better.
Ah but...
perception is everything in politics, as Collins is about to discover, and perception is personal, it can and often does, defy both truth and logic.
An Electorate MP is perceived by most, I suspect, as someone voted for personally whereas the list MP seems chosen by "others".
In reality, of course, the position as actually the opposite but that is getting into deep and dark discussions of demographic democracy such as Majoritarian Electoral Democracy Vs. Economic Elite Domination and its Easter so don't egg me on.... -
Ian Dalziel, in reply to
“She’ll be awl right Mate”
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Someday son…
Farp...
I used to have one of those for sewing leather or some times sails.
'Twas made by a company called "Thrillavit'.
I lost it though but...
Oh how I yearn for the Thrillavit awl. -
debunk, in reply to
Harder to be elected -and more expensive - and probably more democratic because stats can be gathered etc. on voters, gender, socioeconomic status etc. Hard to know what decision processes are used for List appointments. One always suspects the New Zealand tradition of jobs for friends and apprentices - particularly in universities and govt .... Labour leader election was a good change I thought.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Hard to know what decision processes are used for List appointments.
Varies from party to party but in the case of National I wouldn't be surprised if money was involved, geez, even their leader you can rent by the meal and as for Collins, probably the hour. Labour would tend to be a more meritocratic structure after the debacle of being rogered back in the eighties. Winston First? supplication may be the measure of the listing point.
As for the Greens, well, who's got the smoke Bro?. Nah... Kidding right.
The Greens are most likely choosing on an experience curve with a side order of supernatural powers. -
adden dumb
How could I forget the others?
ACT, Prebble just calls out “Anybody there?” and its first up best dressed…
Untied Furniture is easy…. “Can you do hair?”
As for The Conservatines ” Hi, I’m Colin and this…. is my friend Craig”No wonder I have problems with people with two first names…
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Sacha, in reply to
its Easter so don't egg me on
wouldn't dreme of it
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Good egg Sir ;-)
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debunk, in reply to
@Sacha
Do we really want to have a government solely comprised of List MPs?
I think not. Need some accountability to electorates, provision of electorate services, personal investment in the community served etc. NZ needs some sort of FPP for transparency and community connection. I question fat Government management and media salaries which are draining precious funds from electorate infrastructure and essential services. See it in Christchurch rebuild. -
Kumara Republic, in reply to
I question fat Government management and media salaries which are draining precious funds from electorate infrastructure and essential services. See it in Christchurch rebuild.
Or to put it succinctly... graft.
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The Greens QE policy was about monetary policy — it just used Christchurch as a handy sink for all the money they were printing. It didn’t actually mean there’d be any more money spent, or any money spent sooner. It was quite a cynical ploy, I think.
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Sacha, in reply to
solely comprised of List MPs?
who asked for that?
#strawmanmuch
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