Hard News: Still crazy after all these years
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According to the Sensible Sentencing Offender database (which I am not holding out as a paragon of truth) 3 of Baileys' co-offenders are also at large.
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Sorry for the double-post, having some problems with the site and missed the edit window, could someone please delete one of them and this? Thanks mod!
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(male readers may care to indicate whether this could be true, although that might be too gross for this space!)
In parts of my country it's a pretty normal thing to do. And has got nothing whatsoever to do with the presence or not of members of one's favourite sex.
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By the way, I come from Italy: I know some of you might be shocked by this revelation, but it's about time I came out of that particular closet.
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In parts of my country it's a pretty normal thing to do.
bearing that in mind, I'm just wondering - do ya think Michael Jackson may have been taught his dance moves by an Italian then?
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I am sure of it.
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Readjustment is one of those things like nose-picking and earwax inspection which everyone knows should only be done in private, but which aren't always under conscious control.
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Oh, Dr Moo.
I keep wondering when she'll finally admit that she's been a closet member of the Republic of New Zealand Party all along and only joined ACT to almost fatally undermine it. And hey, she also hates other women- check out her mates in the male backlash fraternity...
Craig
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Wow, defensive much?
Yeah, really silly of me getting pissed at the insinuation I believe women ask to be harassed, abused or assaulted.
For all we know the reporters who were sent may have been told to get a good story or else. They may not have been as free to leave as some suggest.
Well, Julie, if that's the case someone at the Herald on Sunday needs to be having a "please explain" meeting with the EPMU (who, I understand, represent most of APN's journalists) and any other professional body that pretends to give a shit about professional standards and the status of women in the industry. I don't know any female journalist who got into the industry to be bait for predators.
If the Herald on Sunday wants to join the race to the bottom, so be it. I just don't think it gets to put their staff in danger in the process.
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By the way, for PAS regulars, this explains why Giovanni was a bit argumentative last week and then went silent.
[Sorry to out you, Giovanni, but past and future survivors might appreciate it]
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I'm trending Craig on this one. We all know about the pressures of the workplace but it's really hard not to form the opinion that accepting to go on this assignment as it seems to have been conceived was just asking for unpleasant things to happen and in fact willing them to happen. The editors of course bear the greatest share of the blame, but I'm not prepared to exonerate the reporters on spec just because they were the victims of abuse either. How did they think it was going to play out?
ETA: Beyond that, Julie is right that we don't have enough information of course. But surely in most countries a press council with teeth would be investigating this with a view to come down on the Herald and, if necessary, its reporters like a ton of proverbial bricks?
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By the way, for PAS regulars, this explains why Giovanni was a bit argumentative last week and then went silent.
It doesn't go anywhere near explaining why I was argumentative I'm afraid - I'm just drawn that way. :-)
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Someone else here is likely to have way more knowledge of this than I do, but my recollection was that at the time that the HoS was being set up there was some activity going on by APN that was pretty close to union-busting. I have no idea of the membership levels of the EPMU at the HoS now.
Craig I agree that people should be asking some hard questions of the HoS about how they handled this as employers. Hence my entire last paragraph in the post you are responding to.
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None of this lets the HoS bosses off the hook. I think it is totally right to be asking questions, as many commenters have, about the decision-making process behind seeking this interview (particularly if media contact for Kuariki was verboten under his release conditions). We should also be asking what guidelines and training reporters are given for dealing with difficult situations of this nature, and what debriefing happens afterwards too.
It'd be inappropriate to name the reporter given that the paper isn't doing so, but she specialises in getting the emotional-porn exclusives. The fact that they made the approach while Kurariki is banned from talking to the media is alarming.
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this explains why Giovanni was a bit argumentative last week and then went silent.
Love that first picture - The opium poppy is the symbolic flower of Christchurch.... (or it should be)
So that's Russell and Giovanni passing their "Body Stone Badge" in the PA Scout troop, hows that Uniform design coming along Recordari?
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Or perhaps a flamethrower.
It would be an even more indiscriminate weapon than currently available models.
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But assumedly not a public library HORansome?
Definitely not. Public libraries are used only by communists; every decent person knows that knowledge costs money and nothing is free in the education economy.
Anyway, public libraries encourage literacy, and literacy is highly correlated with liberalism, which has been the downfall of civilisation.
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To be fair to Julie, I've reviewed my earlier comment and thought it would be stating the obvious to say that the women concerned did not "deserve" or "ask for" the alleged treatment they received. (And to state the obvious again, I used "alleged" not because I think they're liars but because, unlike The Herald, I want to be consistent in extending people accused of crimes the presumption of innocence.) Very occasionally, stating the bloody obvious is not only useful but obligatory.
That is very different from questioning the judgement of putting them in what was (IMO) an unreasonably dangerous situation to get a story of zero news value.
The fact that they made the approach while Kurariki is banned from talking to the media is alarming.
And infuriating. Let me guess: Kurariki is the one who gets in the manure for breeching his release conditions, while there's no meaningful action that can be taken against the HoS? Would really really love Legal Beagle to tell me I'm wrong on that score.
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The fact that they made the approach while Kurariki is banned from talking to the media is alarming.
And since they presumably knew about the ban, could've been reasonably assumed to have known, that's gotta be worth some serious slapping by various media oversight bodies. Shame it doesn't appear to be a criminal offence, having perused the Parole Act.
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I did a few workshops in Kingslea for Bailey and others a good while back when he was there and he struck me as a prima donna type kid well aware of the publicity and how acting up without remonstration led him to act out even more until he was. Then he threw a big wetty and stormed out, well at least to the door cos he couldn't get through, it being a jail and all.
I got the feeling it was a show he regularly put on for visitors.
This latest episode just highlights how he is still trapped as a 12 yr old who went through puberty inside without normal guidance on what is acceptable behaviour by authority figures he could respect.
I mean, what can you do to a pubescent kid in jail who flops his doodle out for a laugh or for attention ? Lock him up some more ? And why should he bother listening to advice from do goody strangers when listening to advice from family got him locked up, considering he's supposed to trust family.
If i had a production company in Auckland, i'd do a reality tv show on him, give him more media exposure than he knows what to do with and hopefully, after it becomes normal for him to see himself through others eyes he'll see whats wrong with himself and fix up, look sharp.
It would make poignant, real life and relevent TV to a whole lot of fucked up kids who go on to become fucked up adults i reckon, and way more interesting than following poor folk around in their shit cars giving them tickets and processing them when they act out against police 10/7.
Should we just want a soundbite, a bit of spittle and some gutter journalism, then by all means lets just carry on as we are.
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Definitely not. Public libraries are used only by communists; every decent person knows that knowledge costs money and nothing is free in the education economy.
Oh, so that's how I become a party member! I was just wandering around the supermarket giving people a secret handshake I learned from the Interwebs. No wonder I wasn't feeling less oppressed!
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There is a clear difference in my mind to the actions of the employer (the HoS in this case) in deciding to send reports to Kuariki's house and the actions of individuals when faced with a difficult situation once there.
For all we know the reporters who were sent may have been told to get a good story or else. They may not have been as free to leave as some suggest.
None of this lets the HoS bosses off the hook. I think it is totally right to be asking questions, as many commenters have, about the decision-making process behind seeking this interview (particularly if media contact for Kuariki was verboten under his release conditions). We should also be asking what guidelines and training reporters are given for dealing with difficult situations of this nature, and what debriefing happens afterwards too.
The original story suggests that someone at the Herald team initiated the first contact by phoning him up for comment. He then either spontaneously invited them round for a more in-depth chat, or they angled for an invite. Either way, off they went for a chat. Bail conditions be damned! The Public must know .
I, too would like to know what, if any, guidelines there are for these sorts of situations. Is there something that says it's probably a bad idea to send two women to visit a known violent offender? Could they have stayed outside? If they could, should they have? Does APN provide any self-defence training for staff it puts in these sorts of situations?
And, without knowing exactly who is assigned to the crime beat at The Herald, what the male/female split is in that team, how they manage/mentor internally, etc, we can't really get an idea of what the odds of two women being picked as the story team are. But I suspect the chances of it occcurring naturally or randomly are pretty slim....
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It would make poignant, real life and relevant TV to a whole lot of fucked up kids who go on to become fucked up adults i reckon
I think The Outsiders screened last year may have beaten you to that idea...
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I did a few workshops in Kingslea for Bailey and others a good while back
This doesn't seem to me to be a story that should be shared. Prisoners have a right to privacy in workshops as much as anyone don't they?
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This doesn't seem to me to be a story that should be shared
If it gives some insight to his behaviour, the role the system played in shaping it that led to his current problems and the media/publics fascination with him...then why not ?
FWIW, it was a screen printing and graphics workshop.
the outsiders vs bailey is a bit of a stretch :)
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