Hard News: News media meets new media: Privileges and accountabilities
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
I don’t think internet trolling is analogous to the hate crimes, arson and murder, practiced by the KKK.
Maybe not, but it’s the most obvious bricks-and-mortar analogy I can think of where nasty fuckheads do stuff they wouldn’t normally do unmasked. A few years back, the Aussie Blackshirts stalked and harassed women suspected to be ‘family-hostile’ while wearing balaclavas.
I sincerely hope that Drinnan has this wrong.
The Transitional Access Plan is a necessary measure – otherwise poor people don’t have access to television after digital switchover.
But the idea of using taxpayers’ money to buy tens of thousands of decoders tied to a commercial pay TV service (and which won’t actually work properly for TV3 and TV4 at this point) – effectively throwing away the $110m we’ve already spent establishing Freeview – is insane.
Where’s the Commerce Commission on this? If this happened in America, the FCC would be onto them in a flash. And yes, Freeview losing out to Igloo is nothing short of corporate welfare – that’s one area where the Key Govt is potentially vulnerable.
And it's just criminal that TVNZ Heartland and Kidzone are only available to Sky subscribers. The BBC and ABC would never tolerate such fiscal fellatio.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Where’s the Commerce Commission on this? If this happened in America, the FCC would be onto them in a flash.
If this was America, the FCC would have waded in long ago.
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Lilith __, in reply to
Kiwiblog commenter types who see others as cardboard cut-outs of their political stereotypes
With some of those people I wonder if they're really interested in politics or if they’re using it as the pretext to have a scrap. Do football hooligans care about football? They seem to see it as an opportunity to get amped up and bash the crap out of other people.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
I don't think internet trolling is analogous to the hate crimes, arson and murder, practiced by the KKK
Not in toto, no. But perhaps in the specifics of the anonymising aspects, and the attempts to intimidate via that anonymity.
There were a few articles recently about the #mencallmethings hashtag, and although I can't find the specifc article I'm thinking of, there was one woman who had had some experience of tracking and confronting the worst of the anonymous offenders via their IP addresses. Might have been on the recent Media7, come to think of it...
Anyway, a couple of other not-entirely-off-point articles here and here.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
Do football hooligans care about football? They seem to see it as an opportunity to get amped up and bash the crap out of other people.
Pretty much, yes. With the usual tribalism as the reason. Football hooligans, that is, not Kiwibloggers.
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merc,
New media accountabilities,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10773062
And so it begins again, subtle as a Woman's Day expose. -
Lilith __, in reply to
the attempts to intimidate via that anonymity
I'm not talking about actual harassment and threats, just obnoxious twatcockery. I think there's a lot more of the latter than the former, and it's more complicated to deal with.
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nzlemming, in reply to
I wonder if Fran O'Sullivan actually reads the things she writes.
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merc, in reply to
What I find personally insulting is that I'm sure everyone concerned is reading every word, including dot points.
Classic lines,But Joyce will not be able to create a new New Zealand Story on his own. It is important that Key lends his political leadership to the drive to enhance domestic and international business growth, increase the capabilities of New Zealanders and inspire more Kiwis to build careers from here.
Joyce's own billing is as a "fix-it man" and politician that likes to quickly cut through the bureaucratic undergrowth so that business and deals get done. By injecting him into the economic space Key has signalled he is determined to "move at pace" in his second term as Prime Minister.
Even before the election Joyce was mustering information from the private sector so he could hit the ground running in his new portfolios. He is not a novice to the innovation space having led successful ICT missions offshore where he was a ready hit with the accompanying business people.
Getting a stronger focus on what makes the boat go faster is hugely important.
The signals from Government and business are encouraging.
Like a Stalin era powerpoint presentation, every dot point must be included and read aloud! -
merc,
Oh dear, now John with the counter balance, nicely hyperbolic too. Does Fairfax own Woman's Day perchance?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10773088
Choice quotes,David Shearer will make mistakes. He will make wrong calls. He will say things he will regret.
Shearer will bring change by making the party less hostage to the political correctness that still plagues its image. He is interested in things that work, rather than whether they fit the party's doctrine. Shearer will not fight old battles merely to make the party feel good about itself.
He will make the party's various groups - union affiliates, Labour women, Labour youth, Maori, Pasifika, gays and so on - start working for the party rather than feeding off it.
He will promote on merit, not quotas. He intends to transform a seriously flabby political institution into a slick political machine.
...then I got sleepy and wondered where page 3 was, beside the astro predictions that John and Fran ghost co-write?
And it gets more fascinating, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-labour-party/news/article.cfm?o_id=264&objectid=10773072
All the bloogers there, substantive. -
Sacha, in reply to
Quote tags are our friend - see below the Response box
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Sacha, in reply to
Fairfax
publish the non-Herald papers
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merc, in reply to
I think I do OK, thanks, I follow usual conventions and I hate using tags. Thanks for the Fairfax note, I was kinda being ignorant on purpose you know, I am not a journalist, and you are reminding me that i should retire from trying to keep tabs on them, it's doing my head in.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I think I do OK, thanks, I follow usual conventions and I hate using tags
It does make replies *way* easier to parse.
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merc, in reply to
Yes true (Sacha proved this to me), I will try, it's just that i'm more used to a different editing environment.
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Isaac Freeman, in reply to
I don’t think internet trolling is analogous to the hate crimes, arson and murder, practiced by the KKK.
True, but a perfect analogy is perfectly useless. If one thing provides a frame for thinking about the other, that's all we can expect.
And there are plenty of trolls who either use their own names or whose identities are well known.
What's common is that the abusers believe that they're unlikely to be held personally responsible for their behaviour. KKK members have to disguise themselves to achieve this, whereas online trolls are protected by distance.
However, I think the key point is the deindividuation of the recipient of the abuse.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
we're all at sea...
...I’m more used to a different editing environment.
Moving from the One Man Sub to the Self Contained Ubiquitous Bracket Assembly system can take a little getting used to, just so long as the oxygen of discussion flows and the weight of one's arguments prevents the bends of logic...
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Sacha, in reply to
Cousteu-m editors can be fraught
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
What’s common is that the abusers believe that they’re unlikely to be held personally responsible for their behaviour. KKK members have to disguise themselves to achieve this, whereas online trolls are protected by distance.
However, I think the key point is the deindividuation of the recipient of the abuse.
And sadly, it’s not just balaclavas or distance, there’s also the absolute power of money – and especially lots of it. Think something like, “come and make me – my dad is a Wall St executive/City Banker/Rich Lister, and he’ll sue your mouth shut!”
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"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy – they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together and let other people clean up the mess they had made."
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merc, in reply to
One man sub, if only, if only, and most surfers prefer above to below. At one point my relative was the youngest U-Boat commander in WW2, /gives away origins/, it's OK his first battle mission was to scuttle his U-Boat, an Italian one, oh the complexity.
Everything is complex in the airy chamber. -
Islander, in reply to
Everything is complex in the airy chamber.
Nice!
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
David Shearer will make mistakes. He will make wrong calls. He will say things he will regret.
Ahh, but what if he doesn't? he will be unbeatable. Look out johnkey, Labour now has a real politician with real experience in real situations, not just a dollar dealer
MWAHAHAHA!!!. -
Lilith __, in reply to
I do totally get the KKK analogy for the seriously nasty stuff. It’s just that (as I think I said in my first comment on this topic) the seriously nasty stuff is, at least in theory, illegal.
But what I was talking about was just people being moderately unpleasant to each other and making an environment that’s hostile to real conversation or mutual understanding. I don’t think this has much to do with anonymity, it’s just as likely to happen on FB or some other place where people are easily identifiable.
If we could eradicate harassment and threatening behaviour, we would still be left with the question of how to build better online communities and more meaningful connections. That was all I was saying.
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Biobbs, in reply to
I don’t think internet trolling is analogous to the hate crimes, arson and murder, practiced by the KKK.
True, but a perfect analogy is perfectly useless. If one thing provides a frame for thinking about the other, that's all we can expect.
Also worth remembering that many of those who commit hate crimes often start out doing 'less serious' stuff like stalking, internet trolling etc.
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