Hard News: #NetHui: it's all about you
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Andre Alessi, in reply to
Our Lord of the Finish Tablet
I misread that and thought for a moment we were talking about Juha Saarinen.
/not that sort of "Finnish"
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recordari, in reply to
There's only one downside I can see, that you will touch the eating surfaces during unloading.
Don't you wear gloves?
Q. Is it trolling when you're on page (checks) 15 of a thread talking about domestic appliances?
ETA: Checks again. 16.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I misread that and thought for a moment we were talking about Juha Saarinen.
Me too!
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James Butler, in reply to
I misread that and thought for a moment we were talking about Juha Saarinen.
I initially assumed that Nokia had jumped on the iPad bandwagon.
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andin, in reply to
ours provided several weeks of entertainment for our children when it was new – they would happily lie in front of it for a whole cycle, watching the clothes go around through the glass door.
Just imagine how happy they would be if you were pounding your washing on a stone down by the local stream. But of course you wouldn't be!
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My dishwasher forces me to put all cutlery handle-down
Not to get all daytime TV host on you, but shouldn't you be laying down some rules and asserting yourself with this dishwasher? It is but a piece of household whiteware, and you shouldn't be letting it get all normative with you.
[I assume we are talking about the electro-mechanical-hydraulic dishwasher here rather than a meat-based member of your household]
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bmk, in reply to
Yes clearly this dishwasher hasn't been programmed in accordance with Asimov's Three Law's of Robotics. Which is obviously a serious AI fail.
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Sacha, in reply to
dishcussion, surely?
Connery, elbow-deep in suds
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James Butler, in reply to
Yes clearly this dishwasher hasn’t been programmed in accordance with Asimov’s Three Law’s of Robotics. Which is obviously a serious AI fail.
I dunno, it seems to be very assiduous at not allowing, by inaction, any harm to come to its user.
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BenWilson, in reply to
Don't you wear gloves?
If I'm being finicky, I'll pick them up with a teatowel, but usually I just wash my hands first. I've lost my taste for gloves, unless doing a large number by hand. I found that my skin was actually worse from the extensive washing I had to do on them to get the smell of glove-sweat off, and the fungi that seem to accumulate rapidly in gloves, than from just washing the dishes with bare hands. After the pre-rinse, there's no need for soaking and hard scrubbing anyway, so the hot water doesn't really touch my hands, and we all know the virtues of Palmolive anyway!
shouldn't you be laying down some rules and asserting yourself with this dishwasher?
I like my dishwasher to be happy in its work. It does have the option to take the basket covers off (useful if anything gets stuck in there), but I thought I'd do it the dishwasher's way for a bit, just to see if it worked better, and it seems to. It is Italian, so sometimes it slacks off and doesn't dry the dishes, forcing me to pick up the teatowel (and I'm a little ashamed to say that my teatowel cracking has developed pinpoint precision), but it usually came down to feeding it insufficient and inferior Rinse Aid. Also, it's mojo is cramped by the huge fridge directly opposite, but it seemed to perk up when I put a sexy little coffee machine on top of it. I hear it thumping in the night sometimes, but I figure if it's going to get all funky with a totally different appliance, that's its business, and it can pick its own time to come out.
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recordari, in reply to
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recordari, in reply to
It is but a piece of household whiteware, and you shouldn't be letting it get all normative with you.
That all depends if he has one of these. Otherwise I wouldn't be dissing the dishwasher when it tells you where to stick your forks.
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Well, I don't have a dishwasher. Or a coffee machine. Or an ipad. If I had a dishwasher, I would let it boss me around as much as it liked.
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JLM, in reply to
The basic idea is that they use less water + are gentler on the clothes. As a bonus, ours provided several weeks of entertainment for our children when it was new – they would happily lie in front of it for a whole cycle, watching the clothes go around through the glass door.
Danielle’s right though, they take forever to run.
I love, love, love my frontloader (well, I did wash clothes in the bath for over six months) and it has a wool cycle that finishes in an hour and cleans almost everything better than the bath did.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
I have managed to jack this thread AGAIN
No you just randomised the conversation direction. Which is one of the things I love most about conversations. And since this has become a conversation about conversations ...
And I really want a new dishwasher (just because, ok) but after 20 years mine is still working perfectly.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Well, I don’t have a dishwasher. Or a coffee machine. Or an ipad. If I had a dishwasher, I would let it boss me around as much as it liked.
How can you call yourself privileged?
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There are definitely personality and/or cultural aspects to the choice of washing machine.
Front-loaders generally do take longer to run and while it's running you can't add items. To make the best use of them requires a well thought out washing strategy. However, you will be rewarded with lower power and water consuption. And lint-free, clean clothes.
Top-loaders generally are faster and you can add items while running, so they suit indecisive characters with poor planning skills who don't care that their clothes do not come out that clean. And full of lint.
;)
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Don't front loaders also give you another usable surface? Laundries can be small spaces.
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Jackie Clark, in reply to
I know. But seriously, I want to bring out a point that I don't think has been made yet. Not about privilege (my Mangere investigations are still ongoing), but this idea of schooling people. The idea of learning, itself. Because I really think it would be remiss of me not to try and tackle our understanding of what learning is. In my view, and the view of many learned researchers and practitioners, meaningful (ie the stuff that sticks) learning is about time, repetition and context. In this kindergarten we use the concept of tuakana/teina, which strictly speaking talks to older/younger siblings and that relationship, but in teaching terms is used to refer to reciprocity of knowledge, the idea that we can all learn from each other - teacher and student swap roles almost constantly. So learning becomes about relationships and about understanding where these people who come to our kindergarten every day come from. What their story is. That's the contextual stuff. Then there's the time and space factor. If you give a learner their space, the time to explore their surroundings (metaphorical or literal), to find their comfort level, to seek out their own challenges, the knowledge gained is more deeply embedded. The repetition factor is about something, of course, being experienced over and over again. Now, you may say that adults learn differently from children, and in some ways they do - but I have found that at the most basic levels, we all learn in much the same way. Meaningful learning only really occurs when we have good relationships with the people we are learning from, when we have the time and space to explore particular knowledges for ourselves, and when the knowledge we want to acquire is accessible for us to mull over again and again. Learners also need to possess certain dispositions - two of the main ones are perseverance and the ability to engage with the subject matter. So having said all that, what is my point? That when there is something to be learned, it is not what we believes needs to be learned that is important but the beliefs and dispositions of the learner. How you get that learning to happen is a very complex matter. But it is my view, that you cannot "school" anyone and expect any meaningful learning to occur.
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recordari, in reply to
There are definitely personality and/or cultural aspects to the choice of washing machine.
We bought our first front-loader from the Warhouse when they stocked AEG (oh the privilege, it burns). It was used every day for 15 years, give or take, and then we replaced it, when the motherboard failed, with another of similar lineage which is well into the 6th year. I'm sure they last a life time for some people, but we are pretty happy with the use we have got, and the clothes seem happy enough.
Don't front loaders also give you another usable surface? Laundries can be small spaces.
This. If you mount the dryer above, you have somewhere for the basket.
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I got a new dishwasher last year, and it's very firm on the subject of utensil bits up. But it's beautiful. Even the way the utensil basket is put together is marvellous - the grids that hold each piece apart lift, pivot and slide artfully into the main body when you don't need them. It's like it was designed by high end car manufacturers.
It takes twice as long as the old one but I love it. No buttons on the front for littlies to fiddle with, and you don't accidentally turn it on five times when you're leaning at the bench chopping vegetables.
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I love our front loading washing machine because it doesn't get all unbalanced three times a load like the old one did so, while in theory some cycles are longer, it actually finishes the job even if I leave the house or go to bed and it spins more effectively so what we lose on washing time we gain in the drying.
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In the New Reformed Church of the Dishwasher [breakaway from the Tisan Romish Idolatry] sharp knives are not permitted entry for any portion of the cycle. Purity has to be maintained no silver plated or solid and other apostates allowed. All tines &etc must face up for sacramental washing.
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B Jones, in reply to
I think I belong to that church. Sharp knives are either bad for the dishwasher (or users) or dishwashers are bad for sharp knives, I forget which. Also, no aluminium and the only crystal allowed in is the cheap glassware I don't care about if it gets etched.
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You'll lie melting against the element FOR ETERNITY, apostates!
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