Hard News: Irony Deficient
123 Responses
First ←Older Page 1 2 3 4 5 Newer→ Last
-
Josh and I would love to do a satire show. Can somebody make this happen?
-
To observe that Green MP Gareth Hughes put a Members Bill into the last ballot to allow use of copyright work for parody and satire.
(With the new system for the ballot, bills go online shortly after they are entered into the ballot.)
-
Russell Brown, in reply to
To observe that Green MP Gareth Hughes put a Members Bill into the last ballot to allow use of copyright work for parody and satire.
Ah, yes. I meant to include that in the post, so thanks.
-
Russell Brown, in reply to
Josh and I would love to do a satire show. Can somebody make this happen?
Lordy, that *would* be good.
-
Terifferric post title.
-
I’d have to say that satire in NZ has probably been crowd/cloud-sourced.
Maybe there needs to be something that shocks and disgusts on the scale of the Sex Pistols’ 1976 “Filth And The Fury” interview to put things back on the map. In my case for example, my salute to Jonathan Swift just needs wider exposure.
-
A lot of people don't find satire funny.
Come to that, a lot of people don't find funny funny. They see a programme like 'The Office' with those nasty, nasty characters and assume it's advocacy for that worldview.
I think this comes from the US, where they have the concept of comedy being a group of usually attractive people behaving in an anodyne way with a hysterical laugh track.
-
When the mood seizes them, Danyl McLachlan, Scott Yorke and Lyndon Hood all write political satire as good as anything in the New Zealand tradition.
No mention of David Haywood.
-
A regular dose of satire doesn’t even have to be that expensive. John Clarke and Alan Dawe do a weekly mock interview on the ABC against a black background.It's simple, but good.
-
Fairburn used to live in Devonport. This proves something, I'm not sure what, but it definitely proves something.
-
We need some successors to Lorae Parry's and Pinky Agnew's Helen and Jenny too. Imagine what you could do with some of those National Party women.
-
Russell Brown, in reply to
Deliberate. David H always insists that his work is humour, not satire. But truth be known, he has written satire here. So let's dragoon him in.
-
What a great topic. The problem is that we have such a surfeit of self-satirising around--from Key's and Bank's selective amnesia, to Dotcom's antics.
But don't forget you have Jose. With a bit more exposure and taller heels, he could become our local Charlie Brooker. And then there is Ian Dalziel and David H,
-
a group of usually attractive people behaving in an anodyne way with a hysterical laugh track
I'd like to offer MASH, Cheers and Seinfeld as popular, well-regarded counter-examples to this.
-
What are you saying? We have two of the best satire shows in the country playing on TV every night at 6 (also Shortland Street). Equally several great satirical print publications are printed each day around the country. And there is plenty more everywhere you care to look. The problem for all of them is that for satire to work, at some point the audience has to be let in on the joke - a laugh track, a lie too ludicrous to conceive or a big banner saying SATIRE!
Although our "news" media is often laughable, this country's greatest satirists are currently deep in their own mirth and wondering at what point they will let the cat out of the bag. Perhaps when 'Breakfast TV' moves to 7pm, the joke will finally have been shared with us all.
-
BenWilson, in reply to
I’d like to offer MASH, Cheers and Seinfeld as popular, well-regarded counter-examples to this.
Too right, that chick Klinger was bloody ugly.
-
the hard stuff – satire, and particularly political satire – is basically absent
Wonder why? Not on TVNZ ?
Hmmmm, a quandary for sure -
Jackson James Wood, in reply to
We think so. We pretty much have a pitch ready to go.
-
I suspect that satire, with its savagery and tendency to cause offence, tends to be worrying to TV networks with a purely commercial imperative.
By its very nature, commercial TV is risk-averse and satire by its very nature is risky. If any satire were to be programmed, I can see nervous commissioners insisting the 'funny' level be turned up to 11 - thereby rendering said programme unfunny and blatant.
I firmly believe that this issue of gatekeepers (whether producers or network execs), who have no actual expertise in the area, yet become arbiters as to what is or isn't funny, is one of the blights that has afflicted NZ TV comedy across the decades.
-
Phil Lyth, in reply to
Ah, yes. I meant to include that in the post, so thanks.
Good to know that some real people, as opposed to a few politics anoraks like me, take an interest in the Proposed Bills page listing members bills in the ballot.
-
Joe Wylie, in reply to
By its very nature, commercial TV is risk-averse and satire by its very nature is risky.
Which is why Clarke & Dawe survive on public service TV.
-
I think some of the best satire draws from utterly indefensible content (The Onion is full of horrible, hilarious things) and for a lot of writers its just too fine a line. You can't be a deadpan bigot as your audience will a) think you're a bigot and hate you b)think you're a bigot and love you or c) think your humour is unwise because of groups a and b being too stupid to pick up on the irony.
I don't know what my point is here.
-
For instance, this is a horrible piece of disgusting, offensive humour;
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/it is pretty funny too. But could so easily just be offensive.
-
Sacha, in reply to
public service TV
Maori TV here, then.
-
Sacha, in reply to
insisting the 'funny' level be turned up to 11 - thereby rendering said programme unfunny and blatant
Melody Rules, etc
Post your response…
This topic is closed.