Hard News: Dirty Politics
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First impression: Language of e-mail looks a bit too good to be true. (To avoid thread derails, that's my feel, not my want).
OTOH, Hollywood studio execs would eat grannies for a buck, so who knows?
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Bugger. I was experimenting with adding an image and it popped up on the wrong post. The caption should read, "Electric fences don't put off country folk."
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CJM, in reply to
yeah, first read it seems, well…perfect, really, too perfect. Then I thought about it and wondered 'how would the big cheese from hollywood write an e-mail about scoring a nice wedge from lil' ol' NZ?'
It's craven, self-serving, corrupt. Meat and potato to to the movie world.
I suspect KDC will have something else to back it up. -
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Herald asks readers: "Who do you believe - John Key or Kim Dotcom?"
Answer: Glenn Greenwald. He's the one with the proven record of reliability. Which is why I'd much rather listen to him than KDC.
Obviously Key's line is to find one hole and dismiss all by association (Dotcom = Greenwald = Cunliffe = Armageddon). Sadly I think it'll work. Tonight's story is no longer (only) about the GCSB and Key's dishonesty. Lose the framing, lose the fight.
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The Herald has one of their polls running - Who do you believe - John Key or Kim Dotcom? and at the moment it's running...
Kim Dotcom - 67
John Key - 38Expect comments to be closed shortly.
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NEW ZEALAND SPY AGENCY LAUNCHED MASS SURVEILLANCE PROJECT WHILE PUBLICLY DENYING IT
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The Intercept stories are online.
Greenwald & Gallagher - New Zealand Launched Mass Surveillance Project While Publicly Denying It
Snowden - Snowden: New Zealand’s Prime Minister Isn’t Telling the Truth About Mass Surveillance
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CJM, in reply to
Key. Dead man walking.
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
Key. Dead man walking.
Dead man lying, don't you mean?
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nzlemming, in reply to
Key. Dead man walking.
How long will it take for John Armstrong to demand his resignation? ;-)
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BenWilson, in reply to
How long will it take for John Armstrong to demand his resignation? ;-)
121 hours at least.
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Key on RNZ just now explaining why he 'cancelled' the NSA/GCSB Speargun operation.
We were afraid that some people might interpret it as mass surveillance. It's not. It's the protection of peoples' data.
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Damian Christie, in reply to
And the followup is *totally* legit:
Just an idea – if you’re going to take my twitter pic, maybe include the original tweet and hashtag (#akshuallyfake) that I used when I wrote it – it’s now got a life of its own without people being aware of its intended fakeness.
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Well here’s a thing. I don’t think I have ever seen a mainstream media piece that transcribes the PM’s exact speech pattern:
Speaking to reporters in Christchurch today, he rejected accusations he was releasing the documents for political gain.
“It’s a bit rich though to say that it’s expedient when here’s a guy that’s used hacked information presenting a case that’s actually wrong, now he only saw one part of it and that’s as I said a big problem, once you hack into something, you present the wrong picture don’t you, because you know he might of been right if it had carried on all the way through but unfortunately for him he’s completely and utterly wrong."
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nzlemming, in reply to
Key on RNZ just now explaining why he ‘cancelled’ the NSA/GCSB Speargun operation.
Because everyone calls their protective systems after sharp pointy things meant to be used underwater to, y'know, spear things...
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nzlemming, in reply to
Just an idea – if you’re going to take my twitter pic, maybe include the original tweet and hashtag (#akshuallyfake) that I used when I wrote it – it’s now got a life of its own without people being aware of its intended fakeness.
Word.
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Andrea Vance can sort wheat from trees, wood from chaff ...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/10500540/Look-beyond-Dotcoms-spy-fanfare
Which is really what I've been trying to say. On one hand, a mountain of research and hard evidence. OTOH, an e-mail, authenticity unknown.
There are now 2 separate stories running, one which skewers Key and one which gives him an escape route. But the focus should be on the Greenwald/Snowden/Intercept story, not the Warner Bros one. In the media muddle, they are mixed and mashed. Watch the 6 pm news tonight, see how they get conflated and confused.
Only Kim Dotcom's ego can fuck this up. Could he please STFU for a few days and let the rest of us hold the Prime Minister to account?
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I suspect the intelligence agency PR is performing a little sleight-of-hand.
i.e. It's called cybersecurity because it is using cyber tech for the purposes of national security (interpreted with maximal flexibility).
- which allows them to pretend that it is all about the security of IT systems (i.e. JK's "it's just the same as Norton")
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BenWilson, in reply to
Curious about DPFs claim that the Southern Cross cable people claim that it's not possible it could have been accessed.
Doesn't really convince me at this point, there are so many ways that such hacks could be pulled off that their assurances are not any kind of knockdown.
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Kia ora -heres my latest song, a tribute to the ACT party - - satirical- lampooning neo-liberalism - hope you don't mind my posting this - don't worry you'll like it - please pass on to anyone you can - thanks - bruce
ps will post my new song soon - "Dirty Politics" - fighting back against the sleazy grubby politics
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CJM, in reply to
The surveillance operation is called 'Speargun'. A weapon that penetrates objects with a spear attached to a cable.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
thar she blows...
The surveillance operation is called ‘Speargun’.
A weapon that penetrates objects with a spear attached to a cableUsed with explosive effect in whaling...
they could've called it Haarpoon, that'd be catchy...
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nzlemming, in reply to
As I recall, AT&T denied they were allowing the NSA to tap the internet as well.
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nzlemming, in reply to
Curious about DPFs claim that the Southern Cross cable people claim that it’s not possible it could have been accessed.
And yet we know that other cables around the world are accessed. As I said somewhere else, I’d do it on land, at the head end, rather than at sea. And I’d intimidate Southern Cross into silence about it as well.
[edit] oh gods I read the comments. Rex Widerstrom is the most coherent.
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