Hard News: About Arie
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Btw I am finding Kracklite just a little threatening. Perhaps he should stop attacking me and concentrate on forming a Kracklite Party to contest the general election.
Yes, I noted that last night. Moreover, I couldn't understand his argument, and I usually greatly enjoy the clarity of his writing.
Kracklite, be careful of letting the whisky do the writing. An apology might be nice.
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Kracklite, in reply to
Yes, whisky was involved, but so were my fingers on the keyboard, so I take responsibility for that and I apologise both to Hilary and to to you for my aggressive tone.
I could reiterate my points in the clearer light of morning, but I’ll leave it at that.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
How would Mr O'Connor respond to an Amadou Diallo or a Justin Volpe - two of the most infamous cases that happened under the NYPD's watch? Possibly something along the lines of, "it was a tragedy, not a crime". And if Joe Stalin thought that one death was a tragedy, what would a thousand deaths be?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Yes, whisky was involved, but so were my fingers on the keyboard, so I take responsibility for that and I apologise both to Hilary and to to you for my aggressive tone.
Thank you, and good on you. I do understand that you had something to say.
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Thank you from me too.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Both Howard Broad and Greg O’Connor have both been defensive and dismissive – the former blandly, the latter complaining on Morning Report that the police have too much real work to do to worry about secondary issues like their conduct
That angers me and I don't think I need to explain why.
The actions of the police in Christchurch have done nothing but hinder the recovery by not allowing anybody to go anywhere. They have, in all probability, aided those mythical looters (I say mythical because these so called looters are just going about their everyday occupations of thieves, they were there before and they will be there after) by stopping people seeking out their loved ones and securing their possessions in the name of "Safety". It is akin to stopping soldiers going to war because they might get hurt. We remember the images of the guy chucking blocks of concrete aside as if they were cardboard boxes in an attempt to save a life, a few minutes later he would have been arrested for not having the required qualifications.
If their argument is that life is more important than property then they have gone about it in a rather obtuse way.
The conduct of individual police officers is indicative of a greater problem in the force, as well they know. -
Kracklite, in reply to
Shake.
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Sacha, in reply to
another #eqnz thread :)
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Having had some experience of mysterious abuse directed towards people with Autism/Asperger's, and having queried some of the irrational abusers, I am beginning to suspect that their bullying and name-calling stems from:
a) something akin to small weener syndrome (they misunderstand that our brains are not bigger, just circumscribed at one end and fatter at the other)
b) a deep and petulant desire not to surrender an inch to belief in the invisible (Autism being a non-apparent condition - witchcraft virtually!, a made-up PC illness tailored for the new millenium free-loaders among us, emperor's clothes in fact)
c) jealousy at the popularity the condition experiences on the big screen and in the media at the moment (pseudo-sibling-rivalry directed at everything from Big Bang to a slender fear sneaking up somehow that uncool might, yuk, somehow, become... cool in a weird way, i.e. be accepted). -
Kumara Republic, in reply to
In just one word: anti-intellectualism.
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Probably more like fear of difference that we don't understand
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Here is lawyer Simon Buckingham's excellent opinion piece in the latest Sunday Star-Times in response to Law's nastiness.
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BSA says TVNZ responded OK to complaints about Paul Henry's denigration of Anand Satyanand, but too slowly.
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Arie pleads guilty, maybe eligible for diversion.
Smith-Voorkamp appeared before Judge Colin Doherty at the Rangiora courthouse. He pleaded guilty and was remanded at large until tomorrow.
Defence Counsel Simon Buckingham, who also suffers from autism, said outside court that he was hoping Smith-Voorkamp would be granted diversion at his next appearance.
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If Arie is elligible for diversion, but this is opposed by Police and the Judge does not over-rule their submission, I suspect there will be an outcry greater than that seen when Jackie Lang was wrongfully dismissed by Subway for sharing a drink with a friend, and he would probably change his plead (as permitted to) to 'Not guilty'.
If Arie is given diversion, there will at least be a muted outcry from those not up with what really happened.
It remains to be seen whether or not the Judge in the case will choose to admonish media present about "possession of the full facts" to help head the latter off.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Refused
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Sacha, in reply to
Refused
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Mr Buckingham has now said a complaint would be laid about his client being allegedly assaulted at the time of his arrest.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
I've seen diversion for plenty of things. What is the motive here to refuse? I'd rather see Arie out on diversion than say, the Maunganui student out and about after what she achieved at school to another student. Will the cops be laying charges against her ? I wonder.
Now I'm grumpy at them again. One step forward ,two steps back in my book.
C'mon Police! Get your shit together! -
Raymond A Francis, in reply to
Sofie, there are strict rules about diversion, it is only given once for example, it could be that Arie is not eligible
Something nether you or I know
Wait till sentencing before you get grumpy -
Russell Brown, in reply to
Sofie, there are strict rules about diversion, it is only given once for example, it could be that Arie is not eligible
Something nether you or I knowHis lawyer wouldn’t have applied if he wasn’t eligible. The police simply refused, as they can do.
Wait till sentencing before you get grumpy
It does appear that the judge, having heard a range of submissions, has a good idea of the situation. My guess is that the police are simply being pricks.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
No, grumpy now thanks. I know what diversion is. I don't want to wait until he is sentenced at all. This 'making an example"(remember the "cellmate" wish) is extreme, and unnecessary.It is cruel to say the least.
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What exactly was the charge ?
Burglary is not eligible for diversion. -
In offering diversion the Police prosecution would not be permitted to take into account Aries original unwillingness to prosecute for a serious assault.
While diversion would be the normal offering, if the facts are disputed, as they are to some extent, Police are constrained to quite an extent in offering diversion.
Other factors that may have impacted on this very unexpected decision:
a) "...public interest requires that prosecution proceeds..." (Likely to have been considered closely)
b) "The offender must accept full responsibility for the offence by admitting that they
committed the offence. They must also show remorse for their actions." (Disputing certain facts might be considered to more than impair acceptance of responsibility and evidence of remorse)
c) "Burglary is generally considered too serious for diversion although the offence may be more technical in nature." (Apparently available)
d) "If an area is experiencing an outbreak of a particular type of offending which
might ordinarily be eligible to have diversion considered, the district prosecution
manager may, in exceptional circumstances, seek to exclude particular offences
from diversion for a specified period." (Likely to have been available)
e) "Where the circumstances of the offence have more features which are
considered to be aggravating factors that should suggest to the diversion officer
that diversion is unlikely to be appropriate in the public interest." (Misreading this as a looting situation when it is not may have made this available) -
Or is five weeks enough to allow the hue and cry to die down a bit and let the "Plice do their job" as the Minister says they should?
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