Hard News: A few (more) words on The Hobbit
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What would we do without wonderful YouTube?
Thanks for the clip, Joe - looks gorgeously shot, though it all sounds like Dutch to me.
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I think you're all missing the point. The issue there was the wording of the withdrawal of the actor's ban. Nothing illegal there. Indeed, rather polite of the actors to give him the opportunity I would have thought.
@Jan: As I said, Simon Whipp or Jennifer Ward- Lealand wouldn't put their names to anything they believed implied Equity NZ had ever acted in bad faith. And, while you obviously disagree, I don't really blame Jackson or Warners for having trust issues with the MEAA after they'd framed the ban as involving a "non-union production". That just wasn't true.
If you really expect me to believe Whipp wasn't fully aware of the weight those words carry, I'd like to introduce you to an Aussie idiom: Get your hand off it before you go blind.
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Jeremy, have no fear, there are plenty of people who do like PJ's work on here. But it's a discussion that's been had too many times, and the lovers bow out in the fight against haters in most internet discussions. The enjoyment of that kind of fight is always going to be one-way - it's always a siege - the haters have no base to defend.
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Craig: I don't disagree with your fresh attempt to answer me and my hand is, as always, in clear view. But I was talking about Fran Walsh denying the ban had been lifted, several days after the actors had offered to lift it, and (FW) calling Helen Kelly a liar, when clearly the issue had been discussed between the two groups for some days.
The bit that puzzles me is why the actors felt it necessary to discuss it with PJ and Warner Bros - unless they were actually trying to make amends and acting in good faith. We all make mistakes - I've even spotted one or two of yours from time to time.
By the way, it's the rigidity that makes you go blind (a problem we girls don't have). And not believing in Santa Claus.
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the haters have no base to defend.
I like a bit of an exchange of ideas on art, it makes it better, but I hate abuse.
I come here for the ideas.
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But I was talking about Fran Walsh denying the ban had been lifted, several days after the actors had offered to lift it...
The important point is that the studios needed the boycott actually lifted in order to start signing actors. An offer to lift does not change the legal basis on which the US union SAG can OK actors signing up.
The studios were correct when they said the boycott had not been lifted. Yes, there was an offer to lift it by MEAA but at the time the boycott was still in place.
It's not trival, evey day the studio could not sign actors caused them significnat problems. The actors they wanted to sign had other options and would have given the studios a limited time in which to close the deals.
Also, MEAA were until quite late in the piece holding out for conditions on lifting the boycott.
Kelly displayed and continues to display zero unsertanding of how the film indusrtry works or even of how US unions work.
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Findlay MacDonald in SST:
The actors might have made their case better, sure, but whatever role the proposed boycott played...
proposed?? It was a boycott. And yet again the minimising of the consequences of the MEAA actions.
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Kelly displayed and continues to display zero unsertanding of how the film indusrtry works or even of how US unions work.
Well, she knows who to come to next time, Neil.
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I like a bit of an exchange of ideas on art, it makes it better, but I hate abuse.
I come here for the ideas.
Well bang away then! But I'd hate not to have warned you.
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thank you ben for your concern :-)
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I wish there was a PAS team designated for, say, 'people who generally enjoy watching Jackson's films but yes, we do understand how flawed they are, and yes, we get that they don't represent all of New Zealand, and no, we are not morons'. But it wouldn't fit on a tshirt.
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Kelly displayed and continues to display zero unsertanding of how the film indusrtry works
It's all about horse heads in beds right.
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it's always a siege - the haters have no base to defend.
If you choose to see it that way. I think the haters would counter that they sometimes feel besieged by crap. And how films like the Lord of the Rings come to define New Zealand culturally is not entirely untroubling I think. Meanwhile, the lovers' citadel is several million-strong, and the assailants have pea-shooters, so why even care?
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I like a bit of an exchange of ideas on art,
it makes it better, but I hate abuse.
I come here for the ideas.This is a good time of the year for them,
they blossom and bloom prolifically...
- but beware the ideas of March!
Sapped of the summer, their parts
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China Meiville/Orson Scott Card/Greg Bear also have a depth of publications that could make excellent film scripts/series.
Greg Bear's book about the destruction of the earth by aliens would make a great movie, except for the whole no one coming along to save it problem.
Some of his other ones that follow a bunch of youth in a space ship seeking revenge seem too... non-standard to make a popular movie. The enemy is never clearly defined, as is the ship that they travel in. Plus all the gratitous sex all the time. The psychology between the characters could make a good thriller though.
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But it wouldn't fit on a tshirt.
Yes, moderate positions don't make good t-shirts or bumper stickers. Or lyrics.
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There's flaws in a lot of great art. Listen to the Beatles. Jackson is operating in a system that has him having to put anti-smoking messages in the first ten minutes of the trilogy.
A scholared friend of mine once told me that his studies had revealed that Shakespeare was considered prolific in his time by his peers but not a serious contender as a man of great art.
There are shots in the trilogy that are just film candy and there are shots in "Bad Taste" that just have to be seen, the rebirth.
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There's flaws in a lot of great art.
Actually, that wouldn't be a half-bad t-shirt.
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T- shirt art .....I love T-shirt art.
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It's all about horse heads in beds right.
clear goal, clear strategy, clear message to the appropriate target.
Ireland, as well as ofering more money, were offering a union that had already done that. Minus the horse head I think.
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In reflection both participants needed a more obvious transparent window to discuss the working conditions of what is still a very new industry for us, well behind Hollywood and Bollywood.
How do we make films here in the next decade, use P.J's Wellywood to its best long term advantage. Techies mortages are for decades.
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My big fat Greek tragedy...
It was a boycott.
<fantasy>
...as the pickets continue at the strike-plagued Thrace for the Yankee Windup (formerly known as Spartacus ), a new musical fantasy movie about the saving of The Hobbit has been announced in the nation's film-making hub, Pollywood (formerly known as Wellington).Lysistrata: Kissing the Pink Book (by noted play-makers Ew-Whipp-ides and Arresto-phonies) tells the story of un-Medeaa-savvy women who, refuse to be shafted, and continually fleeced, by the ongoing male dominated pally-production wars...
Cinesiastas, frankly incensed by Myrrhine's withholding her favours complains to the ruling council, then the erected representatives meet and dance in union with Reconciliation - proving once and for all that this is no town for old men...
...or something like that!
:- )</fantasy>
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Back in the 2000s Lianne Dalziel re-wrote our imigration laws to reflect the racial make up of colonial settlers, making it easier for Poms to come out.
I saw this reflecting the general mood of the nation & racist essentialism of it & LOTR.
I think we take alot of our cues from fiction rather than fact.
We have our ANZ branding as 100% Pure.
Without going into rates of pollution, have a read about Moriori.
http://www.newzealand.com/travel/about-nz/history/history-early-settlement.cfmMoriori are Maori, Maori are natives of NZ prior to 1840, so says the Treaty of Waitangi Commission.
But lets not let the facts (or employment laws) get in the way of a good story.
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The t shirt should be:
"There's floors in a lot of great art"
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Is it true what I heard on the radio this morning that details of $7.5m extra funding have emerged (dependent on success of the movie) and it will go to the Actors ?
If that's true, it's stunning twist in the saga. I find it hard to believe though, otherwise Key would have been shouting it from the rooftops right from the start ?
It was 5am, and I was 1/2 asleep on my way to catch the ferry to Devonport.
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