Discussion: Uncivil Rights
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So true. Literally nearly all of the life-long Lab. voters I know - at least, those with whom I've discussed it - have given up on them for now - and these aren't radical lefties, just normal progressives - and decamped to support for the Greens, for want of a more appropriate home.
As if the Greens weren't going in all the wrong direction either. Some of us are simply despairing.
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Related issue -
AOS wear balaclavas to hide their identity for security issues or to ensure their future royalties are paid.
Gray killed 13 people and they're calling him a bad shot, that is crass in the extreme. The fact remains the AOS shot each other in the cross fire, so they're good shots?
Tim Ashton said he would have shot another guy but his weapon exploded. His weapon malfunctioned because of his poor maintaince; or he got nervous and planted the barrell into the earth and so when he pulled the trigger the weapon blew up as the gases couldn't escape. Either way not good.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10606638&pnum=0
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Just thinking, what is your response to the closing quote?
And how do you know what caused Ashton's weapon to explode? All that article says is that it did.
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3410,
As if the Greens weren't going in all the wrong direction either. Some of us are simply despairing.
Well, yes. I meant that more in an if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow sense than in an actually-representing-my-position sense.
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Quite right, I don't know how his weapon exploded, but neither was it explained. Judging from the crassness of the comments in the article, ignoring the poor co-ordination which had one of their own in the line of fire. I'm taking an educated guess that he f&%ked up.
Labour & Phil Goff started the erosion of Rights and Nationals following suit.
I dispair at party politics and hope we can get a few good people in as independants or some assemblage of Social Justice (which the Greens seem to be leaving).
I want to get Samoa back on board as they were in 1964, and from their open the door to our sphere of influence in the Pacific.
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(Craig, I don't care who was in charge when this one was drafted, National are the ones who love playing urgency and they're the ones in power now)
What part of "fuck 'em both" requires further explication? I don't really see the point of bitching about urgency when Labour introduces shit legislation, there's a change of Government and National advances it, and both shove it over the finish line and into the statute books.
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Oh, there's a point in bitching about urgency alright - just not in this instance, I agree.
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Liz,
One element of the BORA issue is that the burden of the legislation will not fall equally on all citizens. It will not even fall equably, in the sense that those who most deserve the intervention will get it. All studies ever done in this country demonstrate the large (and growing) ethnic bias in the justice system, especially against Maori. Maori are more likely to get arrested (against pakeha involved in the same activities), more likely to be charged, more likely to get convicted and more likely to go to prison. Over two decades ago the Roper report begged for a change in policy approach to prevent the move to mass incarceration and the criminalisation of everything. That report was ignored and we now continue to reap the benefits. the question of 'where will it end' needs to be discussed, with urgency.
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I don't know how his weapon exploded, but neither was it explained. Judging from the crassness of the comments in the article, ignoring the poor co-ordination which had one of their own in the line of fire. I'm taking an educated guess that he f&%ked up.
Hah. I wouldn't call that guess educated.
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I wouldn't call that guess educated.
Steve, really? I thought it was a very educational guess. Oh, wait, you said educated not educational. My bad.
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Holmes: … so you’re no longer innocent until you’re proven guilty.
Collins: It’s fantastic, isn’t it?
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Thanks for the link Lyndon.
What a depressing state of affairs.
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Thanks for the link Lyndon.
What a depressing state of affairs.It's fantastic isn't it?
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Fanatic, y'mean.
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They're as bad as each other. Holmes for perpetuating the nonsense that the police can just come and seize your stuff because they feel like it, and Collins for not stomping on that and crushing it dead.
Holmes' example of the guy on the Shore who's being hassled by the cops because his vehicles and appearance meet "the profile" would be able to stop a forfeiture hearing in its tracks by presenting a letter from the Lotteries Commission to confirm that he had, indeed, won a million dollars on such-and-such-a-date. Bang, case closed, and that's assuming the Police got more evidence than just that he looks sus and has expensive cars. Collins could've knocked that thread on the head in 30 seconds, but the woman is too stupid to even understand what the law says judging by her woeful performance in that interview.
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Holmes: … so you’re no longer innocent until you’re proven guilty.
Collins: It’s fantastic, isn’t it?Crimebusters UK is now awaiting your call. Dob in your parents now and win a cellphone.
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Actually, I'd only really read that quote in the Q&A transcript, but the whole thing if full of Lose.
She says we take the DNA samples before arresting people because if we do the DNA test first there'll be fewer false arrests.
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I wrote this for Werewolf V (out now!).
Libz not happy, though that in itself is not unusual.
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Libz not happy, though that in itself is not unusual.
Indeed. Are they capable of any kind of restraint at all?
From the Libz' release:
"Judith Collins is a ruthless and dangerous sociopath who John Key should dismiss forthwith. If she has her way, no-one will be secure in their property and personal effects; and the police will be able to compel New Zealanders to speak - presumably using torture or blackmail."
And concluding:
"If the Police Minister persists in her attempts to crush the liberties we cherish, she will get more than she bargained for."
Crikey!
It would be amusing to compare this to the Libz' frothings on the terror raids. But I'm busy.
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I don't agree with the Libz on many things, but Lindsay Perigo hit the nail on the head with a surprising daisy-cutter on the Roundtable:
I myself have poured scorn at every opportunity on the Treasury-ACT-Roundtable efficiency-obsession. My most tasteless, and therefore favourite, taunt is that, had these people been around at the time of the Nazis' gassing of Jews, their primary concern would have been the impact of the gas bill on the government's budget deficit, not the use to which the gas was put.
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Bear in mind this is a man who advocates the forced sterilisation of DPB recipients.
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seen the ad with the younguns out for a fun night time drive and having a laugh as you do, passing the breath test after being pulled over but then being asked to accompany the man down to the station for a blood test anyway on suspicion of drugs ???
FUCK THAT!!! and how easy is it gonna be for the po-po to abuse that and piss people off for no reason ???
and woe betides you if you got a jolly fat polynesian in the back chowing down on maccas!!!
i mean most of the people i know, (apart form my family:) ,who smoke weed, look fully pro and respectably middle aged. exactly the type of people rarely ever profiled but oh how the profile in this vile piece of shit campaign will be strictly adhered to and stick in the closed mind of the average dumbed down copper who believes the hype.
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exactly the type of people rarely ever profiled but oh how the profile in this vile piece of shit campaign will be strictly adhered to and stick in the closed mind of the average dumbed down copper who believes the hype.
Seems the police believe whatever they like
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I note a few people seem to think the DNA Bill wasn't reported. Well I can say I wrote stuff about it when it was proposed, when it passed its first reading, evidence given at select committee, and then it's passing through its second and third readings under urgency. I also referred to it in several crosses as it progressed through Parliament.
I know my colleagues in the gallery gave the legislation similar attention.
In my case I can understand why you might have missed it. At the risk of making a sweeping generalisation I suspect not many who post here are ZB listeners.
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I suspect you're right.
I oscillate between Nat Radio (Too old to Rock & Roll) & The Rock (Too young to die).
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