late to the party, but just received the almight black sky box today.. all nice. one thing to note though, the 3 tuners that allow you to record 2 channels and watch another? not enabled for a few months it would seem. so your "stuck" with record one, watch one, or record 2 and watch something pre-recorded.

ok, my mistake for throwing in supermarket as an example... but again i think i smell what your cooking. if you were to meet me you would very quickly realize im very relaxed, im not some neurotic, over-protective, bubble wrap dad. i agree you cant make important decision on fear alone, i would add you cant make any sensible decision when you dont have all the info. anway ive probably repeated myself repeating myself enough for one night. good day.

stephen - first off, apologies.. "back off" sounds somewhat combative!! not my intention just a phrase i use far to often. im hearing what your saying, so to help my understanding, can u tell me is there a particular background of an individual that you would not want to expose your daughter to, at a venue you frequent regularly, lets say the supermarket or something?

and whom shall deem my assessment of risk to be reasonable or not stephen? when zylah (my daughter) goes to the zoo, i let her climb on the dragon sculpture - she may fall and hit her head, i let her sit on the elephant fence, i may lose my grip and drop her, i let her pickup a stick and suck on it - she may get germs.... i assess the risk as part of living life. i never intended to imply you lack concern for your child, nor was i using my daughter as a trump card so back off. the fact that i have a daughter is the reason i frequent the zoo so regularly, it seemed like a valid reason to express my opinion.

yes i realise he was under supervision. problem is that big bad system that most of us seem happy to call a load or arse fails... whats to say its not possible for marks circumnstances to change - the "system" again fails to pick it., his state of mind begins to suffer, his minder momentarily wander off... and the system fails again?? Im not suggesting it will, nor am i suggesting Marks mental health issues, or people suffering from similar issues in general are likely to relapse, but its not exactly unheard of is it?

Stephen i dont see how anything you can say should cancel out my opinion, nor vice versa - certainly was not my intention. and i have to admit im baffled as to how my concern for her welfare could be irrelevant, perhaps i misunderstand.

Neil, again i stress the point, im not trying to profile mark, but when combine "dude that stabbed his mother to death" and "not a particular threat to children" - my call is i would rather not take that risk, at the very least i expect, nah fuck it i demand to have the knowledge to make my own call on it.

wow. from time to time i cruise by these forums and generally find myself nodding in agreement with the wise regulars. have to say im at odds on this one. as a friends of the zoo member i take my 18 month old daughter to the zoo every couple of weeks and let her guide me around at her leisure. Yes i agree sensational headlines and media interference with an individuals rehab is bullshit and should be called out, though it comes as no surprise. I did a quick skim read of the herald feedback page (from above link) and it seemed to me a fair number of people where taking the "ignorance about mental health" angle which is of course valid, but lets not confuse depression with stabbing your mother to death. Im not overly familiar with the case details but i remember the lead up to this tragedy was another case of the "system" being a complete failure, despite that i beleive the zoo should have been informed Mark was part of the program and absolutely had the right to decline him as a participant. Having said that i do believe mark has every right to, and deserves support in reintergration into society, i just think when u choose to take your family into a place such as the zoo, its reasonable to expect all of the people employed within to be of the "family friendly" variety.

chur