Posts by giovanni tiso
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
No, it was specifically a free speech issue.
Can you refresh our memory as to how it specifically went, then? It’s hard to judge otherwise.
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to Steve Barnes,
And, what is this Jewish question of which you speak?
Can we stop feeding the troll already?
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to son of little p,
Will the Jewish Question itself go away as well
Oi, moderators? Are you guys asleep or something?
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
There was an attempt to have Jenny Harper remove it from her office at Victoria University, which is why I raised it as a real world example of these kind of issues.
That wasn’t an example of state censorship, though, was it? Different institutions will have their own rules, and they are likely to be more fluid than the state’s. For instance it’s okay for the Iwi/Kiwi billboards to appear on the streets, but I would be shocked if one was put up on a space owned by Victoria University. And the Dominion Post refused to run the racist Act ad because of its own guidelines and judgment, while the NZ Herald did. In all of these instances decisions are made by individuals or organisations who then stand by them and frankly that’s okay by me.
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
Is that seriously your answer? Leave it up to the courts, because there is nothing for an informed citizenry to discuss?
What Paul said. We make the laws. We discuss the use of symbols of hatred in art. All the time. It's a dynamic process.
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
Click on the camera symbol next to the title.
I doubt that anybody, inside or outside of a court, would have much difficulty differentiating between that use of the svastika and the use of a svastika on a Nazi flag, or on the cover of a book in praise of Nazism. This is not an image that would be censored in Germany, where they have specific laws against the use of the symbol. And it wasn’t censored here, was it?
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
So how do we go about determining it?
We have laws that define such things and courts that interpret such laws.
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
I am merely asking, once again, where and on what basis do we, as a society, draw the line?
We draw the line on the basis of whether a statement incites hatred, or not. Which is not always an easy determination to make, but it often is.
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
Artistic freedom – and freedom of speech more generally, for the same reasons and according to the same principles – is a precious thing that people have literally fought and died for.
The freedom to paint Guernica and the freedom to shout “kill all Jews” are two fundamentally different freedoms, it seems to me. I still don’t get the connection.
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Hard News: How much speech does it take?, in reply to DCBCauchi,
The painter Max Beckmann left Germany and never returned for a reason. That very reason in fact.
If Beckmann had actually been an anarchist (was he? I didn't think so), surely his persecution would be a subset of the persecution of all political radicals under Nazism. I think the point is that degenerate artists came in for special treatment because they were artists - which, it seems to me, serves to prove your point rather better.