Posts by Mark Thomas
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do we really worry about terrorists these days? i thought the "war on terror" was a passing fad.
as long as we don't piss off the french we should be ok...ps - nice ideas there side78
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...there's next to no hard details on the table...
you're totally correct, there's no hard info out there, but there's never going to be unless we wait six months for detailed designs and pricings for either option. And i totally understand that people are pi**ed off because the whole thing has been rushed because someone fudged the cost estimate for eden park. And Mallard's a bully.
but it does seem that if we want to hold the world cup, we have to provide a 60,000 seater stadium like we promised. so the question is, do we spend about $4-700M on eden park, or $5-900M on a new one. and we kinda have to make the decision about now, because of the time to go thru resource consenting etc (see link below).
for what its worth, there's some info here - bear in mind, everyone's biased one way or the other:
Government Stadium Comparison
Auckland City Council website
Warren & Mahoney Architects
There was also a comparison of about 10 other potential sites i saw somewhere on the web too... -
But I would have presumed that if there were concerns about a new stadium blocking views, you'd sink the whole thing down
Putting a stadium below water level would have all sorts of issues. the stadium could leak, float, be flooded during storms etc etc. you'd have build a big sheetpile wall or bund around the whole site to keep it dry while you built the stadium. maintenance costs would be significantly higher. the britomart excavation spent quite a bit of time in hearings because of water ingress worries, and that had a some soil between it and the ocean.
sorry, i'm an engineer, i get carried away sometimes ;P but i think the transparent glass cladded design looks kinda pretty anyway!...
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here's an interesting interview with fletcher construction. they reckon costs are more likely to be an issue than finishing on time
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noelle interviewed brash on bfm this morning, he seems to have chilled out a bit. He said its up to auckland which stadium we want, he's just concerned with the timeframe and budget of the waterfront proposal. it was his "personal" view that eden park was the better option.
ps. someone on this site suggested if we built the waterfront stadium, eden park could revert to a cricket ground a la basin reserve. i like the sound of that
pps. has anyone seen the pictures of that 67 storey behemoth? UGLY!
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wow, the first photo of whitecaps stadium looks almost identical to "our" waterfront stadium.
if it comes down to spending money on doing up an old stadium in the 'burbs, or putting a new one in next to a train/ferry/bus station and the motorway, i think i know which one i'd go for. but i wish we'd thought of this about 5 years ago