Posts by stephen walker
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Zanzibaar. i loved that place.
it was Clive's baby but Mark&Peter, Simon, Roger, et al used to do great ealry sets before Clive spun the discs.the thing about Zanzibaar that i really liked was that it inherrited two separate strands of the dance scene and in AK with wicked results. IIRC, A Certain Bar was going on downstairs at the DB while Clive was doing his 70s disco-inspired stuff upstairs at the same time. ACB was mainly post-punk and white, while Clive's crowd was largely (but not all) brown and more US music focused.
IMO, Six Month Club, the Civic clubs, Nelson St. clubs and Asylum were all inheritors of what started at the DB and then Zanzibaar.
And of course Box/CC. great place. had forgotten all about the Hat. Great place.
(can i also put in a little plug for the original Quays? especially in its early incarnation 83/84. we went there (and the Venue) a fair amount. and Mainstreet when they had underage gigs :-)
p.p.s. and my sister would mention the Peppermill, which had a resident band around 82-83: Ardijah.
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rabble-rousing
Can you cycle this thing? (YEAH!)
Are you gonna get a lane? (YEAH!)
Say Wham! WHAM!
Say Bam! BAM! -
the leg-endary holes make bipedal watercrossing hazardous
sometimes it makes me wonder how i keep from going under...
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;-)
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But if you know differently, do tell.
someone excerpted the party's policy upthread.
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limited, contained release
how is it limited and contained? who is going to indemnify?
and lots of research can be done without release. just get NASA to build a research farm on Mars. -
Lets skip the money because there just is a lot of money in GE crops for everyone who grows them. Most of the farmers growing GE outside the US are small holders who actually do make more money. The data is on the web if you want to look for it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/1500-farmers-commit-mass-suicide-in-india-1669018.html
Over 1,500 farmers in an Indian state committed suicide after being driven to debt by crop failure, it was reported today.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mallika-chopra/the-tragedy-of-farmers-su_b_189843.html
Companies like Monsanto promise farmers that these genetically modified (GM) seeds, which cost significantly more than traditional seeds, require less pesticide and will potentially produce higher yields than traditional, renewable seeds. However, farmers are usually not told that GM seeds also require more water, making crops more susceptible to drought, irrigation and lower water levels. These genetically modified seeds also do not produce viable seeds of their own to be saved for the next season's harvest, which means that farmers are forced to buy the patented seeds and fertilizer again and again every year.
Lured in by these promises, farmers are forced to take out high interest loans to purchase these "magical seeds" - often from aggressive lenders who charge exorbitant rates - just to survive. Combine that with Western subsidies on cotton - which deflate global prices - and Indian farmers are faced with revenues that cannot cover their debt. Out of despair, hopelessness, even shame, farmers turn to suicide - often by drinking pesticide - they kill themselves, leaving behind children and families who must bear the burden of a system that is too overwhelming to even think about.
http://www.panna.org/files/bulletTrain.dv.html
A 1998 Iowa State University study (which considered actual herbicide and fertilizer costs) concluded that for Bt corn growers there was a slim advantage of $3.97/acre (with higher yields, but also higher herbicide and fertilizer costs).
The same study showed that in the case of herbicide tolerant soy, the advantage went to non-GE varieties by $1.25/acre (with a smaller herbicide bill, but yield was down).
A 2000 USDA study concluded that herbicide resistant soy did not lead to a statistically significant increase in net returns. -
at least research the benefits
yes. research the benefits and costs and compare with various alternatives. but why release organisms when you have no idea what damage they might do? what about the precautionary principle?
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(I think so)
is this a new anti-Greens religion?
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Paul, when did the Greens religiously shut out GE research?