Posts by Ross Mason
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Hi Chris, Thanks for the reply, I agree it was a cracker review and no, I have yet to spend on it. I will though. I have a friend who acquired it and will swap with him.
I see Our Tube has a link to an earlier Sunday Morning Laidlaw story re Creationism being taught in schools.
http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,1672,should-creation-be-taught-in-schools.sm
Maybe we should head for there and restart the discussion eh what? :-)
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Quacks - Humour:
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Just to bring things back to about page 5 of these posts....and to finish. Found this Ben Goldacre article in a recent Bad Science piece in the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/03/bad-science-verdict-drug-trials
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Linley Boniface said it all in the the last sentence of this article today:
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Cargo Cult Science:
http://yost.com/misc/cargocult.html
I love the toes!!!!
And as important - some may say more so - for the understanding of science I heartily recommend this little piece.
Feynman: "Presented at the fifteenth annual meeting of the National Science Teachers Association, 1966 in New York City, and reprinted from The Physics Teacher Vol. 7, issue 6, 1968, pp. 313-320 by permission of the editor and the author. [Words and symbols in brackets added by Ralph Leighton.]
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"Where are the numbers?"
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was looking for the numbers that might suggest doing nothing may be a better option to either of the two "cures".
What I am suggesting is that there may be a third option we are all missing. eg the big bang, that the data fits better.
Doing nothing may be it. I/we don't know. But the point I tried to make was that why do they both give the same outcome? The sameness is the strengeness.
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This review of 39 trials found that spinal manipulation was more effective in reducing pain and improving the ability to perform everyday activities than sham (fake) therapy and therapies already known to be unhelpful. However, it was no more or less effective than medication for pain, physical therapy, exercises, back school or the care given by a general practitioner.
My highlights. In my mind the last sentence has to be thought about carefully. Doesn't anyone find it strange that the two methods seem to produce the same "more effective" result than sham treatment?
I would LOVE to see the results of doing nothing....maybe gardening even.....but just letting the low back pain recover by itself may be a useful atlernative.
But if I had seen that result in a review of- for instance - was there a steady state universe or was it produced by a creator - then I would still be searching for something else since neither fitted the data. But for some reason there would be a group who would still l stand up and say "See the creator has just as good a review as a steady state theory. Therefore the creator is valid."
Rather, it tells me nothing.
Where are the numbers?
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Little Boys.....
Don't ya love the time travel~~~~~~~~!!!!
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Have just watched Media 7 prog on the "Miracle Cure" the whole reason for these 4 pages of posts. A good coverage. Addressed the Close Up and 60 minutes coverage and it's total lack of balance. The lack of response from reporters and producers - telling to say the least. Russell asked some good questions. The two panellists told it like it is.
What I couldn't get out of my head the whole time was the issue of NIMBY. Depersonalisation. It happens to other people.
Given what has passed these pages over the last few days it is obvious that once any condition suddenly impacts us in the guts (personal or close) all our well meaning tut tuts disappear out the window.
So I can't help thinking that it has to be some kind of innate response from way back. Heavily evolved and extremely difficult to let go - let alone ignore - that would allow the "tut tuts" to be effective within ourselves.
Its is not a good thing bad thing. It is there. Locked up ready to pounce when something hits you.
I suggest that it being evolved means that there will be variation, difference, extremes orthe non existence of whatever it is throughout the population.
And again, I am drawn to the thought that until we educate ourselves, educate the next generations of these facts of life we will be behoven to this programmed response for ever.
PS: And I hadn't watched it before I made the Book Review Request above BTW.
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Phew
And all that from anywhere else but Upper Hutt! So we could change the subject........
(Quietly)....Has anybody read 'The Grestest Show on Earth" yet?