Hard News: High Noon
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godspeed, young man, and may flights of angels sing thee to the game
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suck it up, cut their costs and accept that nobody is going to get rich from recorded music any more
Not even close to true. Do you know how money you can generate simply from the performance fees on a medium sized international track? Or how much someone like Coldplay makes every minute just from radioplay?
A lot of people are still making more money than we can even dream of from recorded music, it's just that the share of the pie that goes to the traditional record labels is increasingly diminished.
That's what this is all about..all of it.
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What Simon said.
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Word!
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On s92a, I just feel that as a general principle, if you have a business model that isn't working, you shouldn't be entitled to have the government change the law and crush peoples rights in order to shore that model up.
I don't mind things changing. In fact I think that's a good thing for this business model: it's old, and it'd be a better model if the artists saw more, the end product cost less, and there was a lot less inbetween the two.
I do think that 'this brave new world' has to be careful that we don't end up with less, or not as good, culture, through this sort of idea.
I mean there's no good business model to support a professional ballet troupe in NZ - it get subsidised. Does that mean that they should all be out on their tutus?
Should major record labels be subsidised so that we continue to get their music? No. But we also shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot now that we've found out we can get most of the stuff for free.
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Dunno if Spotify works in NZ (here in SEA it's only a premium service to date) but it has legs as a concept, assuming, and this is a big one for much of the world, that we all have high speed broadband
Premium only in Australia too. How's it work. The cute video's interesting but says nothing about how artists are remunerated? An end-user's agreement is avaible on the blog but I'm not going there...
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One of the problems New Zealand has is our size - we have the same niches that other nations have and they may be proportionally the same size, but ours are very small in real numbers (and $$) and I don't see a perfect market model operating. That said, I'm no big fan of subsidising everyone to produce work either because that doesn't encourage quality, only quantity.
It is a conundrum that I don't have the answer to. For some things, our market is global, via the internet. For others, such as the ballet, strictly local. This is the sort of thing the old QEII Arts Council used to be quite useful for (IMHO) but we don't have it any more, and the minor bodies that sprang up in its place are competing for the same funding.
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Two random things I want to throw into this: firstly I've learned a lot about the legislation reading this thread (and so far this year I've managed to avoid covering the issue, what with all the economic stuff and everything...) so, cheers.
Also the heading on the thread must be why I've been humming 'Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling' all day.
Nice tune, that. Wonder if I can download it on rapidshare.
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@Simon, cheers.
@Rob, it was the mention of Dimmer for me ... my entirely legal copies of the two albums (there's only two right) have kept me happy the last few hours... (everytime I hear "you want to believe your own scrapbook" I think of John Key, that's ok yeah?)
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Re: Spotify
Doesn't Last.fm already do a lot of that but without the cost or the adverts? Pretty sure you can click on artists, albums or get it do you up your own 'sounds like' playlist.
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Good point Simon.
s/recorded music/retail sales of recorded music
and also with specific reference to local artists. If you're Coldplay or whoever then even a much reduced income from CDs is still a lot of money.
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I think that in terms of government helping, there are things they could do that aren't clubbing people with a big stick.
Maybe $10 a month on broadband that gives you indemnity to share anything you can find, with the revenue distributed in an NZ on Air type fashion.
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Doesn't Last.fm already do a lot of that but without the cost or the adverts? Pretty sure you can click on artists, albums or get it do you up your own 'sounds like' playlist
The tech buffs will be able to help but I think this is quite a leap forward in terms of caching and delivery.
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(there's only two right)
I can't tell if that's a serious question or if You've Got To Hear The Music has been disowned a la Blow.
And streaming services are all very well, but whatever happened to iTunes bundling unlimited downloads?
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This has been a truly fascinating discussion, thanks to all.
Indeed. And thanks for moving it past the earlier unpleasantness, which I found quite upsetting, possibly because I'm the wall with fatigue and stress at the moment.
Fortunately, my hotel room has a GIANT bathtub, and I'm filling it. The planet can jolly well fry ...
Also: Bruce Sterling is a mind of wonder.
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Yes, Bruce Sterling is great. The 40-minute interview Kim Hill did with him and Jasmina (who's equally fascinating) earlier this week plays tomorrow after 9am... and we have Andrew Dubber between 10-11am playing some tunes and talking music industry... some of the above will no doubt rear its head... nice Great Blend tie in but purely coincidental. Ruseel, you've WELL earned that bath. OK, fingers crossed for Carnival sunshine tomorrow...
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Yes, Bruce Sterling is great.
And as epigrammatic as you like. I've just tweeted 17 separate killer lines from his speech.
What kind of fool am I?
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because I'm the wall with fatigue and stress at the moment.
I hope it passes, RB, soon.
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What kind of fool am I?
A twit , prehaps?
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What, Leo Laporte was there as wel???
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We were lucky enough to get Peter Jenner on Media7 last year. He's a major proponent of what he calls the "music access charge".
And?
They did a similar thing a few years back when RIANZ touted the number of blank CDs being sold in NZ every day as lost sales.
Well, that was just stupid, as a concept.
We already have "surcharges" on Pubs, clubs, radio stations, cafe's. restaurants etc. I could go on. If you want to listen to music we have the technology for you to listen to all kinds of stuff. For instance. At this point in time I am listening to Little Axe - Champagne & Grits
. A band (or whatever) that I would never have heard of if it were not for a friend being of the criminal fraternity and giving me a "stolen" copy. it would have been most unlikely for me to have heard it on the radio, TV or even in a pub, club or restaurant. So the ILLEGAL practice has given the artist an outlet, a hearing. It is time for a change on copyright. Section 92A is bot a solution, it is a problem. In my opinion the recording industry (etc) has to embrace the "new" method of distribution and build a sustainable business model or go the way of the Dinosaurs. -
Ha Ha. I said bot. I meant not.
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And "bot" is exactly how they will find most of the alleged "infringers"..
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<uote>We were lucky enough to get Peter Jenner on Media7 last year. He's a major proponent of what he calls the "music access charge".</quote>
so the costs are covered and the holders are getting paid. Sound shit.
The music industry should really either:
1. suck it up, cut their costs and accept that nobody is going to get rich from recorded music any more
2. find alternative revenue sources that don't require a governmental big stick to workDoesn't look like they're going to be sucking anything up until they've forcefed NZ a full yardy of the shit. in fact it fully looks like they have our government by the strones. I'd like investigations into what kind of corruption is going down to bring about this kind of situation where the government is implementing laws at the behest of a handful of large corporations who've been dicking around our citizens for decades with their format shifts and false promises.
and also with specific reference to local artists. If you're Coldplay or whoever then even a much reduced income from CDs is still a lot of money.
Not if daddy paid close to a million sterling to get you that cushy deal with parlaphone.
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