Hard News: "Creative" and "Flexible"
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Jesus. Fact-checking Drinnan-style ...
Um... yes. I think the real story (and even then a rather trivial one) is that I find it rather odd that Clark would insert herself in a domestic political debate the way she did.
He's a full-time journalist.
He's also writing a glorified gossip column rather than considered media analysis (which you should know better than most, Russell), so I'm not really surprised.
So they were right all along about Radio Labour?
Well, I could take a quick troll through PAS and find plenty of evidence that "they" "have a sense" that John Key's relationship with the media is a 24/7 anilingual orgy of eye-watering depravity. Which might be as true as far as it goes, but doesn't really add value to any discussion worth having.
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Sam, you have no need to ETA: Drinnan described Jake Quinn as a lecturer; it give the impression that he is part of the academic elite that runs the country from Kelburn. Describing him correctly as a student wouldn't strike the right anti-intellectual tone.
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Um... yes. I think the real story (and even then a rather trivial one) is that I find it rather odd that Clark would insert herself in a domestic political debate the way she did.
Yes, even given that she was responding to questions, it was unusual -- although hardly a break with character ...
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Yes, even given that she was responding to questions, it was unusual -- although hardly a break with character ...
Fair enough, but I do enjoy listening to Jim Bolger rather nimbly side-steping questions obviously designed to elicit an indiscreet bitch on Clark or the Government. IMO, Bolger was always (to coin a phrase) misunderestimated, and quite happy to use that to his own advantage. :)
And when Simon Upton left Parliament to go to the OECD, I don't think he became any less opinionated but was still rather careful about how he inserted himself in domestic New Zealand politics.
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anilingual
Talking out one's arse?
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I think we're talking about two quite different cultures: one a profit-driven business, and the other the provision of a public service.
yes, but its essentially about delivery of a product with some public services possibly being better catered for by applying business principles to them.
When i think RNZ and public service i think, Roger Hall's Gliding on, Glide time and Market forces :)
http://publicaddress.net/default,3222.sm#post
Wouldn't sharing that body of knowledge and experience raise the game of those outside the public service or could they not compete in a level playing field... is the culture really so different ?
How is the culture of the public broadcasting service these days and how does it compare to a profit driven business ?
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Talking out one's arse?
You're roughly in the vicinity of a ballpark approximation... A tongue is involved, but no teeth.
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Just in from a reader, commenting on Media7 last night:
Hi Russell
Just wanted to point out to Mitch Harris :
RNZ already outsources huge amounts of programming
Weekend shows on RNZ ( like Kim Hill Chris Laidlaw etc) have ONE producer. The only shows with more than one producer are the news programmes , Nine To Noon, and Jim Mora. Thats it.
And as for Hosking ... if he bothered to count them he would find his show also has three producers ..so what Mike?
Producing an hour of ad-free radio takes a lot more than producing and hour with ads every three minutes like Zb breakfast. Chk the time difference ...sometimes its about 25 min an hour of actual news material, and a lot of that is just ill-informed comment from both Marcus and Mike H.
Morning Report tho, does 180 minutes of news and current affairs every day of the week. Of course it needs producers !
The point with RNZ is its not the staff, its the rising fixed costs which eat hugely into funding. One of the major ones is rent on their building in Wellington - gone up massively in recent years. Of course they had their own building didn't they - but the last National govt booted them out of it.
Seems old ideas die hard.
This time tho its all to do with giving the commercial networks access to radio nz's news ...the current ceo stopped that when he arrived. With a recession eating at profits, the commercial networks want a chance to gain access to RNZ's news and then cut news costs even more.
What Mitch didn't tell you is that he pays his people extremely badly ...except for those on air. That why they all leave ...and go to RNZ !
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Sam, you have no need to ETA
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yes, but its essentially about delivery of a product with some public services possibly being better catered for by applying business principles to them.
The only business principle is profit.
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I wish John Drinnan would pause and think before he writes. I guess it ia all a matter of perspective--one of my beefs with NatRadio is that it is not radical enough nor sufficiently risk-taking. So, you get the tedious 'Views from the Right/Views from the Left' tosh, and a seemingly endless train of big mouthers, we-know-what-you-are-going-to-say guests on the Panel such as Michelle Boag, Richard Griffin, Joanne Black etc .
Thanks for the info on Jake Quinn. I certainly had no knowledge of him as a 'media lecturer' but that doesn't stop Drinnan elevating his status. I reckon he is doing a good job, even if he 'worked for Labour". After all, Steve Maharey was once a media lecturer and ended up doing some work for Labour. -
The only business principle is profit.
What about time management, working within budget and *ahem * quality control ?
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What about time management, working within budget and *ahem * quality control ?
In the service of... profit.
ETA: Also, god I hate hearing these stupid 'business English' terms related to absolutely everything. HATE. It's like we've been taken over by the bloody Borg.
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What about time management, working within budget and *ahem * quality control ?
And what would be the *ahem * quality control of a commercial radio station - ensuring that The Final Countdown is played just three times a day?
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And what would be the *ahem * quality control of a commercial radio station
I was thinking more about outsourcing to reputable production companies to produce quality programmes as opposed to low com denom radio stations sticking with the payola format.
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I was thinking more about outsourcing to reputable production companies to produce quality programmes
For crying out loud... if you could pause for just a moment and actually read a few posts upthread, Radio New Zealand National already does this.
Please do not provoke me into further damage to my state-funded desk.
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*ahem* yes i know, but i was just clarifying point in answer to a request....as you were
but now that you mention it...
RNZ already outsources huge amounts of programming
Weekend shows on RNZ ( like Kim Hill Chris Laidlaw etc) have ONE producer. The only shows with more than one producer are the news programmes , Nine To Noon, and Jim Mora. Thats it.
Morning Report tho, does 180 minutes of news and current affairs every day of the week. Of course it needs producers !
and just to clarify, this huge amount of outsourcing is to private production companies which may just be independent producers acting as sole traders and not in house producers ?
Care to drop some names and post some links. Wouldn't mind checking out their CV's to see where my dollar is going and that i'm getting value for money ?
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But then again I'm not a slave to any rigid work timetable whereby its convenient to tune in while negotitating the morning and afternoon traffic jam as part of some daily ritual.
Robbie, I think this is probably the main rebuttal to most of your points.
I like your style, I do pretty much what you do with music (except for making it, which I only really dream about), seem to have much the same musical tastes, and I've enjoyed your comments, it's good to hear there are people like me out there.
But, and I'm totally guilty of this, it's very easy to overgeneralize from your own choices to everyone else and the future, and just as easy to be dead wrong. A great many people are stuck in rigid work timetables, perhaps even the majority, and tuning into the radio is a lifetime habit that they could hardly imagine being without. Then there's kids who are stuck in rigid school timetables. Then there's people who just like to hear the new stuff as it comes. Then there's people who just don't want to have to pick what to listen to (beyond maybe channel flipping), when a perfectly qualified DJ can do it for them and keep them entertained endlessly. Then there's people who just like background noise, and radio is at least informative and ever changing (if slowly). People who are working at some chore are like this, hell I used to do it when I pumped gas. I tried playing my own music but I got sick of arguments with co-workers who didn't want to hear my choices, and often customers. I was equally sick of people who did like them too, customers who would like what I was playing and want to talk about it, when I had work to do. They were worse because they often took offense, thinking they were only being friendly. Then there's those curious people who like talkback.
So in the end I can dig that people like the radio. I don't much. When I'm working with my brain, I like silence. When I'm driving, I've got my library. If I want music in the lounge, I'll usually put the television music channels on, or something the kids like on CD. I seldom get to put my own stuff on, as my wife has different tastes, so we settle for something we both like, a much more limited pool. I don't listen to an iPod or anything like it, because the opportunity just doesn't really come up - I don't commute, and I think they're pretty antisocial - I'd rather be sharing what I'm listening to.
But all these peculiarities flow from my lifestyle and choices, which are actually quite different from the average, and I really have no clue whether society is tending more towards my lifestyle or away from it. I work alone, so I can get away with being peculiar. When I worked with other people, lots of them liked having music on, and I'd have to endure it. After a while, I usually came to like it - it made for a social environment, you could pick on whoever put the music on for a bit, make requests, get up and dance for a bit if you got bored, etc.
I guess the point I'm gradually coming to is "different strokes for different folks". I don't listen to Concert, but I can see why people do, why they like it, and I don't really mind outlaying the tiny amount of cash I have to so that they enjoy this thing - in a decent society we do that sort of thing for each other. The gripes really only kick in for me when people want to take something away that I do like - as Jolisa already said, I would hope for a little support at those times even from people who don't like that thing, because it's a society we live in, not a shopping mall. We help each other out.
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Robbie: that'd be an effort to source.
For really minimal starters you might point to a fair bit of the evening programming being sourced from the BBC World Service or from the ABC - both fairly reputable, I would have thought. Radio Waatea also provides news segments on Maori issues with the main news bulletins.
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Russell, on Media 7 you mention Sue Kedgleys conspiracy theory about RNZ.
I don't think there is a conspiracy against RNZ per se.
This is an on going anti-civil society agenda of National.
Ecan & Auckland RC destruction of democracy along with diverting the attention of RNZ onto there own job security, whilst ruining education etc, are the Govts agenda, some signalled some not. -
In the service of... profit.
OMFG - eevil profit. You know something, I really don't give a shit if Radio Live isn't broadcasting Public Address Radio out of pure altruism, but I really can do (and I mean this as a general comment) without the sneering at commercial radio as some inevitable trash bin. I actually work pretty damn hard to turn out decent work -- and I'm sure Russell and everyone else connected with PAR does the same.
This is an on going anti-civil society agenda of National.
I'm going to respect the non-molestation order my desk took out against me, and go dash my brains out against the retaining wall in the garden. This kind of "anyone who doesn't agree with me isn't just wrong, but malicious and evil" bullshit is why people disengage from politics and the political process. It would be nice to have a different opinion without getting bitch-slapped with imputations of toxic bad faith as soon as you open your mouth.
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respect the non-molestation order my desk took out against me
I probably instigated this. This violence against desks has got to stop!
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I actually work pretty damn hard to turn out decent work -- and I'm sure Russell and everyone else connected with PAR does the same.
I bet that Radio Live appreciates the effort that you and many others put into Public Address Radio, but ultimately the company is delivering this programming to listeners as a means to profit. Business principles are rooted in the profit motive, so you don't actually have to believe that all commercial radio is garbage to question their usefulness when assessing a pure public service broadcaster.
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Who said profit was all bad, anyway?
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Who said profit was all bad, anyway?
Yeah, I get how it works, we are all cogs in the machine, I would be nothing without our glorious wage-paying overlords, blah blah blah. I just resent having to play along with all this business-speak as if it's some sort of important or coherent philosophy rather than a particularly propagandist part of what is, at heart, a giant global pyramid scheme.
Don't mind me, you guys. I'm just having a Crazed Communist Moment. It happens now and then. :)
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